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Farage receives second £36m donation in two days for Reform

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Greyrock79 · 12/09/2026 13:47

Farage receives second £36m donation in two days.

Reform’s biggest donor Christopher Harborne matched record donation given on Friday by fellow cryptocurrency billionaire Ben Delo

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12345change · 13/09/2026 16:31

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 16:19

Manipulate the public how, precisely? Similar to how Labour ‘manipulated’ voters with their fictitious manifesto in 2024, is that what you mean? No tax rises, smash the gangs etc etc.

Can’t you otherwise just accept that people vote for Reform because of their stated policies?

Interesting how people have problems with other parties like Labour or the Tories manipulating or lying to the public but when it comes to Reform that's all ok!!

Appreciate we're not suppose to call the electorate stupid - but I'm really struggling here!

LizzieSiddal · 13/09/2026 16:30

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 14:51

How do you know what the majority of the electorate think? Can you give an example of how someone in the UK is deeply affected by Brexit as they go about their daily business?

Bless your ignorance.

Just a few examples of whole industries and so people losing jobs and money have been hugely affected by fucking Brexit.

Farming for one has been majorly affected with trade barriers, labour shortages and loss of subsidies.

Another is the music industry. It’s now incredibly difficult for musicians to tour in Europe. Even big stars like Elton John have been complaining about it.

Pharmaceuticals is another area where drugs have risen in price and some not now available due to Brexit costs and red tape.

And let’s not even get into the car industry which is about to get worse once the EUs new policy of a certain percentage of any car must have its components manufactured and fitted in the EU.

concertinacornflake · 13/09/2026 16:24

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 16:19

Manipulate the public how, precisely? Similar to how Labour ‘manipulated’ voters with their fictitious manifesto in 2024, is that what you mean? No tax rises, smash the gangs etc etc.

Can’t you otherwise just accept that people vote for Reform because of their stated policies?

This is interesting actually because polling/research shows that the more voters learn about Reform's policies the less keen they are to vote for them. It is accepted that some of Reform's vote is, as for Green and Lib Dems, a 'not main party' vote.

Reform does have a known problem now of not knowing where to place themselves on a number of issues as what plays well in seats traditionally blue does not play so well in seats traditionally red.

Warmlight1 · 13/09/2026 16:23

Switchnow · 13/09/2026 16:12

You say that likes it’s a good thing.

How many skilled and suitable people will join agencies to work for that poor pay?

There's a stream of overseas workers- and managers- setting up agencies- without which the whole thing would collapse. The oversight and quality both within groups and from the CQC is very variable and often delayed. I feel for those on the end of it.
One of the effects is an almost complete lack of ownership from the top down. Government ministers are reassured that it's all at a distance. Health responsibilities for ensuring care exists are without effective scrutiny.
So middle managers get to shut things down without building them
So as often is the case there sometimes seems to be a lot of oversight- many people criticising- and identifying 'quality issues' but if a service isn't there it's no one's fault.

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 16:19

12345change · 13/09/2026 13:45

My views of polling data are based on the evidence that Reform are trying to manipulate the public. If you refuse to accept that - more fool you.

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Manipulate the public how, precisely? Similar to how Labour ‘manipulated’ voters with their fictitious manifesto in 2024, is that what you mean? No tax rises, smash the gangs etc etc.

Can’t you otherwise just accept that people vote for Reform because of their stated policies?

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Switchnow · 13/09/2026 16:12

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 16:02

Agencies will move in! Look at Scottish Nursing Guild pay rates to see how poorly paid they are.

You say that likes it’s a good thing.

How many skilled and suitable people will join agencies to work for that poor pay?

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 16:02

Switchnow · 13/09/2026 15:53

The care sector is especially vulnerable as it’s poorly managed and largely hidden. I’ve seen a few examples lately of the HO removing sponsorship status from care home groups, which puts staffing at major risk. There aren’t enough experienced nationals to replace that workforce in large numbers, so what will happen?

Agencies will move in! Look at Scottish Nursing Guild pay rates to see how poorly paid they are.

Switchnow · 13/09/2026 15:53

Warmlight1 · 13/09/2026 15:51

Long enough and it should never have happened.
I'm supportive of immigration as valuable and necessary and often high quality work, but the workforce has been thrown at the job not crafted into it. As you can imagine Boris doing. There is a lack of real diversity in the sense that White British people are not present in the care sector doing care jobs much and it seems an odd thing to have almost completely outsourced to the extent of creating an almost exclusively foreign workforce. This is something to do with pay and conditions but also the sourcing of labour.
The model is not cohesive enough, not regulated enough. Just not held enough by government.

The care sector is especially vulnerable as it’s poorly managed and largely hidden. I’ve seen a few examples lately of the HO removing sponsorship status from care home groups, which puts staffing at major risk. There aren’t enough experienced nationals to replace that workforce in large numbers, so what will happen?

Warmlight1 · 13/09/2026 15:51

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 15:23

How long did this glitch last? Last time I checked Boris had invited over hundreds of thousands of care workers from Africa and Asia?

Long enough and it should never have happened.
I'm supportive of immigration as valuable and necessary and often high quality work, but the workforce has been thrown at the job not crafted into it. As you can imagine Boris doing. There is a lack of real diversity in the sense that White British people are not present in the care sector doing care jobs much and it seems an odd thing to have almost completely outsourced to the extent of creating an almost exclusively foreign workforce. This is something to do with pay and conditions but also the sourcing of labour.
The model is not cohesive enough, not regulated enough. Just not held enough by government.

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 15:23

Warmlight1 · 13/09/2026 15:20

The government didn't know what people's jobs were. The changes caused a glitch in immigration rules and this pretty much cut off people who were coming in to set up.and work for care agencies. It was country wide. Disabled children went without vital care over that period because of government incompetence, and of course the schools were shut. The care was so important that carers were allowed in ' the bubble' and had to conduct their lives around It. It was abysmal. No one realised until it was too late and there were huge gaps that were hugely detrimental. In these situations generally families don't cope and children sometimes have to be accommodated. Some families are undoubtedly still living with the impact.

How long did this glitch last? Last time I checked Boris had invited over hundreds of thousands of care workers from Africa and Asia?

Warmlight1 · 13/09/2026 15:20

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 14:51

How do you know what the majority of the electorate think? Can you give an example of how someone in the UK is deeply affected by Brexit as they go about their daily business?

The government didn't know what people's jobs were. The changes caused a glitch in immigration rules and this pretty much cut off people who were coming in to set up.and work for care agencies. It was country wide. Disabled children went without vital care over that period because of government incompetence, and of course the schools were shut. The care was so important that carers were allowed in ' the bubble' and had to conduct their lives around It. It was abysmal. No one realised until it was too late and there were huge gaps that were hugely detrimental. In these situations generally families don't cope and children sometimes have to be accommodated. Some families are undoubtedly still living with the impact.

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 14:58

MelissaLovedMantari · 13/09/2026 08:06

Charged with breaching the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000. He could go to jail if found guilty.

Really? I will watch this with interest then.

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 14:56

dwordle · 13/09/2026 10:16

I think they are a lot poorer for one and they are noticing that.

That is because large numbers were living in a debt bubble fantasy using cars on monthly payments, credit cards and imagining that their basic shoebox house was worth a small fortune, then rates went up, nothing to do with Brexit, parts of the EU are in worse shape politically and economically.

KeepPumping · 13/09/2026 14:51

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/09/2026 00:24

I profoundly disagree that most people aren't affected by Brexit. We are all deeply affected by it. But it's quite telling that you don't realise this.

Regardless, the majority of the electorate do now recognise that Brexit was a mistake.

How do you know what the majority of the electorate think? Can you give an example of how someone in the UK is deeply affected by Brexit as they go about their daily business?

12345change · 13/09/2026 13:45

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 13:39

Interpret the data as you see fit.

Meanwhile, you will not be able to dispute the real data contained in gilt yields and unemployment data, and gdp growth etc etc.

My views of polling data are based on the evidence that Reform are trying to manipulate the public. If you refuse to accept that - more fool you.

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 13:39

12345change · 13/09/2026 13:32

I think polling numbers are very questionable now, given the recent findings from the undercover investigation by Verbatim, showing that three secret polls commissioned by Reform were intentionally leaked to the press to create momentum... all very dodgy and many like me will take polls with a pinch of salt from now on..

Interpret the data as you see fit.

Meanwhile, you will not be able to dispute the real data contained in gilt yields and unemployment data, and gdp growth etc etc.

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12345change · 13/09/2026 13:32

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 11:48

Reform were leading Labour until recently, so you accept that polling numbers are dynamic I hope.

I think polling numbers are very questionable now, given the recent findings from the undercover investigation by Verbatim, showing that three secret polls commissioned by Reform were intentionally leaked to the press to create momentum... all very dodgy and many like me will take polls with a pinch of salt from now on..

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 12:55

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 12:11

I don’t know what you are saying, and I’m not sure if you even know.

Either way.

The amendment of the autocorrect made it very clear. No word had more than two syllables.

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 12:44

EasternStandard · 13/09/2026 12:23

The unions said no, Burnham folded, now this.

I genuinely worry about the UK.

In a world with myriad threats, this government are hell-bent on self-imploding.

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EasternStandard · 13/09/2026 12:23

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 12:21

Rayner threatens cap on political donations

Communities Secretary says individuals cannot ‘buy their way into democracy’ after Reform handed record £72m

The UK is going to turn very, very nasty.

The unions said no, Burnham folded, now this.

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 12:21

Rayner threatens cap on political donations

Communities Secretary says individuals cannot ‘buy their way into democracy’ after Reform handed record £72m

The UK is going to turn very, very nasty.

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Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 12:11

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 12:02

Because I don’t want to. You start enough for both me of us.

I don’t know what you are saying, and I’m not sure if you even know.

Either way.

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BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 12:09

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 12:02

Because I don’t want to. You start enough for both me of us.

Both of us. Damned autocorrect.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 13/09/2026 12:06

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 11:51

How do you see Labour’s numbers after next month’s budget?

Do you think the budget will be a case of ‘who can we tax more to pay benefits to others?’

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Well, I don't know what will be in the budget so it's too early to say.

I do personally think that the benefits system needs reform but I don't think that simply cutting it is the answer - the underlying issues clearly need to be tackled first. I don't mind paying more tax if my money is going to be spent effectively - I have more than enough for me and my family to live comfortably and I'm happy to contribute. I accept that you don't feel the same way.

Obviously, the current economic situation is bleak. Labour came in to an absolutely terrible inheritance from the Tories after over a decade of low growth and neglect of public services. There is the ongoing impact of Brexit and the scale/cost of our national debt. Then Rachel Reeves fucked it up some more with what I consider to have been a bad decision on employer NI. And of course, there is the ongoing impact of Russia's war in Ukraine and now Trump's war in Iran.

So I am not expecting any rabbits. The country is in a very bad position, and I want honesty from our leaders about the challenges that we face. Starmer tried to be honest but he fell down because he didn't have a plan or a vision to fix things and it just made people feel depressed. Burnham is full of positive vibes. I'm currently waiting to see if he actually has a plan.

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2026 12:02

Greyrock79 · 13/09/2026 08:12

As an aside, have you ever started a thread?

If not, why not?

Because I don’t want to. You start enough for both me of us.