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"National Security can't come at the cost of Social Security" - WTAF?

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Binnyforthewin · 09/09/2026 14:52

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

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Frequency · 10/09/2026 20:48

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 20:35

yes absolutely and many don’t rent them out but just hold them as a store of value

And if we made it costly to do this by raising the already-existing empty homes premium to a level that made parking money in London, etc., unfeasible, then this wouldn't happen.

That's something we should be doing anyway. There are estimated to be approximately 300,000 homes empty long-term, while 136,000 households are stuck in temporary accommodation costing the taxpayer £££. It's madness.

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 20:35

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 20:18

Hedge funds will more than likely buy up housing stock on behalf of foreign investors.

yes absolutely and many don’t rent them out but just hold them as a store of value

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 20:33

5128gap · 10/09/2026 20:29

Or the government could buy them.

If the government brought in policies that forced independent landlords to have to dump properties enmasse onto the open market and then the government purchased those properties cheaply, I think that might be called Communism 😬

5128gap · 10/09/2026 20:29

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 20:18

Hedge funds will more than likely buy up housing stock on behalf of foreign investors.

Or the government could buy them.

5128gap · 10/09/2026 20:28

Frequency · 10/09/2026 20:18

Exactly, although I never said I would cap them below cost. Housing Associations seem to manage just fine without charging ££££ for substandard housing.

I realise it would cause some short-term disruption and pain, but we cannot allow housing costs to keep spiralling the way they are. Housing is not a commodity to profit from; it is a basic human need. We don't live on a big enough landmass to have enough of it to also use it to line the pockets of the fortunate.

I couldn't agree more.

ShitHoleDweller · 10/09/2026 20:18

Hedge funds will more than likely buy up housing stock on behalf of foreign investors.

Frequency · 10/09/2026 20:18

5128gap · 10/09/2026 19:51

So the market would become flooded with properties as they all sold up then, driving down prices.

Exactly, although I never said I would cap them below cost. Housing Associations seem to manage just fine without charging ££££ for substandard housing.

I realise it would cause some short-term disruption and pain, but we cannot allow housing costs to keep spiralling the way they are. Housing is not a commodity to profit from; it is a basic human need. We don't live on a big enough landmass to have enough of it to also use it to line the pockets of the fortunate.

5128gap · 10/09/2026 19:51

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 19:05

Well there would be no houses to rent then as no one would be a landlord if they can’t cover their costs

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So the market would become flooded with properties as they all sold up then, driving down prices.

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 19:05

Frequency · 10/09/2026 18:34

No, I would cap private rents thus reducing the welfare bill and making it easier for low income working families who rent.

Well there would be no houses to rent then as no one would be a landlord if they can’t cover their costs

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 18:57

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 18:50

Thats logical though? Who else would you be paying rent to and presumably that's what housing benefit is. Landlords aren't charities.

Logical to let rents spiral ever upwards? If you benefit from it sure. If you’re a government/LA with a housing crisis and a rising welfare bill, it’s pretty logical to cap them.

Some landlords are indeed charities.

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 18:55

Frequency · 10/09/2026 18:09

You'd also be moving people away from job opportunities and education choices. I live in one of the most deprived areas of the country, so one of the places @nearlylovemyusername would move people to.

We have plenty of cheap housing, including social housing. What we don't have plenty of is jobs, colleges and training centers, properly functioning public transport and healthcare.

There is reason housing is cheap, no one has any money coz there are no jobs and no buses to the places where there are jobs.

The lack of money, opportunities and education also paves the way for high crime and high levels of addiction.

Moving more skint people here won't reduce the welfare bill, it will create ghettos and eventually lead to riots.

Me too. Lots of people with money move here and drive up house prices, increasing rents. HB still goes to landlords. There are very few local jobs, lowest vacancies and high test unemployment in the county, along with one of the higher crime rates. Move more people here, save a bit on housing benefit in the short term but limit their chances of ever coming off it.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 18:50

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 18:49

People seem to find it unimaginable
to cap rents, yet not understand that the biggest net beneficiaries of HB are landlords.

Thats logical though? Who else would you be paying rent to and presumably that's what housing benefit is. Landlords aren't charities.

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 18:49

Frequency · 10/09/2026 18:34

No, I would cap private rents thus reducing the welfare bill and making it easier for low income working families who rent.

People seem to find it unimaginable
to cap rents, yet not understand that the biggest net beneficiaries of HB are landlords.

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 18:48

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 18:13

So you would move families with 2 working parents, barely scraping by but don’t qualify for any government support to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health?

No, where did I say I would?

Frequency · 10/09/2026 18:34

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 18:13

So you would move families with 2 working parents, barely scraping by but don’t qualify for any government support to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health?

No, I would cap private rents thus reducing the welfare bill and making it easier for low income working families who rent.

BananaPeels · 10/09/2026 18:13

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 17:12

So you’d move households with one parent not working to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health? Retired people away from their family and support network so they have to rely on social care? Are you sure that’s a good idea?

So you would move families with 2 working parents, barely scraping by but don’t qualify for any government support to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health?

Frequency · 10/09/2026 18:09

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 17:12

So you’d move households with one parent not working to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health? Retired people away from their family and support network so they have to rely on social care? Are you sure that’s a good idea?

You'd also be moving people away from job opportunities and education choices. I live in one of the most deprived areas of the country, so one of the places @nearlylovemyusername would move people to.

We have plenty of cheap housing, including social housing. What we don't have plenty of is jobs, colleges and training centers, properly functioning public transport and healthcare.

There is reason housing is cheap, no one has any money coz there are no jobs and no buses to the places where there are jobs.

The lack of money, opportunities and education also paves the way for high crime and high levels of addiction.

Moving more skint people here won't reduce the welfare bill, it will create ghettos and eventually lead to riots.

Boomer55 · 10/09/2026 17:48

Binnyforthewin · 09/09/2026 14:52

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

Of course it is. Just another Burnham jolly saying to try and please everyone.

Switchnow · 10/09/2026 17:12

nearlylovemyusername · 10/09/2026 14:28

If people can't pay their rent, they will become homeless as will their children. It costs a lot of money to provide temporary accommodation, more than would be saved.

If people who provide for themselves and aren't entitled to benefits can't pay their rent, they move further, to less desirable areas, to smaller properties, commute longer to their workplaces and basically suck it up. No matter how much they like the areas they used to live in and what support network they have.

I strongly believe that housing support should only be paid to those who work within 1h commute in the area (this is average commute time for London, adjust accordingly for other regions). If members of household don't work, they should be moved to much cheaper area full stop. Kids can be schooled everywhere in the country so not an excuse.

This would save much more than 4bn I think.

So you’d move households with one parent not working to areas of the country that are less well resourced for transport, health? Retired people away from their family and support network so they have to rely on social care? Are you sure that’s a good idea?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 15:51

chaosmaker · 10/09/2026 13:15

Didn't he give millions/billions in contracts to Indian companies?

No those rumours were false.

That doesnt mean he doesnt understand economics anyway.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 15:49

NullaEffugium · 10/09/2026 13:31

lol. Most of the G in GDP is government spending on public goods and services, like infrastructure, education, defence, health system, social welfare including the salaries of all government employees. But a good chunk of the G isn’t on day to day operating costs, quite a bit is spent on research & development. These are often contracts for start up UK businesses on the cutting edge of technology and innovation. The £20bn/yr spent here is an investment by the government that absolutely results in growth. Many businesses could not have succeeded or generated any wealth without such government investment. The funds for this investment comes from taxes.

So, you can spend wealth to create more wealth. That’s what an investment is- spending with the expectation of a return.

Governments also create jobs- 18% of jobs in the UK are public sector. No business contributes more to job creation. Which then means a stronger C in GDP.

The economy as measured by GDP is a balancing act and there are ways to cheat the calculations.

lol. Wealth is not created by the public sector. The public sector supports wealth creators (such as providing legal framework, education, roads etc) but does not create wealth itself. You cannot invest in the public sector to create wealth. The public sector spends money. It doesn't make money.

I do wish the left would understand this. It might support the private sector a bit better rather than trying to kill the golden goose.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 15:46

NullaEffugium · 10/09/2026 14:07

AB didn’t say social security was his first priority.

AB didnt say defence was his first priority. Which it is for any government. He just hasn't realised that yet.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 10/09/2026 15:44

NullaEffugium · 10/09/2026 12:54

Actually that was me. Paying our fair share towards common defence isn’t a penalty ffs.

Paying for defence is fine. Paying the EU for the opportunity to defend the EU is perhaps a step too far.

Binnyforthewin · 10/09/2026 15:35

Worrall20 · 10/09/2026 15:23

He said and I quote ‘National Security can’t come at the expense of Social Security’

Yeah but we all know his first priority is buses.

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Worrall20 · 10/09/2026 15:23

NullaEffugium · 10/09/2026 14:07

AB didn’t say social security was his first priority.

He said and I quote ‘National Security can’t come at the expense of Social Security’

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