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"National Security can't come at the cost of Social Security" - WTAF?

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Binnyforthewin · 09/09/2026 14:52

Surely our PM releases that without National Security there is no Social Security? One is entirely dependent on the other.

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musicalfrog · 09/09/2026 18:21

I thought this too! I was wrong to have faith 😔

Absolutely terrifying but shows where the priorities are.

concertinacornflake · 09/09/2026 18:21

Greyrock79 · 09/09/2026 18:10

I think many of us are tired at Labours continued attempts to buy votes via welfare.

It has to stop.

'It has to stop' - how do you propose to make it stop?

No opposition party is suggesting anything credible.

LipglossAndLies · 09/09/2026 18:20

BananaPeels · 09/09/2026 18:16

100% this. We are at peak tax at the moment, they can keep squeezing and squeezing but ultimately all they are going to make receipts go down. They have to make cuts somewhere. If the government invests in our own defence firms it is a win - win as the money will be recirculated in the UK. Think of the stimulation to tech firms and the potential economic growth.

100% this.

It is also a little bit suspicious that we place sanctions on Israel and NATs had a technical issue. Maybe a coincidence...myabe not.... but defende needs to also be against cyber attacks too not just standard military responses.

BananaPeels · 09/09/2026 18:19

rockstarshoes · 09/09/2026 18:15

He was taking about Kemi’s plan to cut housing benefit making people homeless!
He wasn’t talking about social security in the old fashioned sense just that having thousands of people in temporary accommodation or homeless will affect the Social Security of the Country, which of course it will!

Look at the threats to the social security of the Country that has come from some areas of the Country that have been left in abject poverty by Brexit & Austerity!

The Country is hardly thriving is it?

It’s not thriving because no one wants to invest because of high taxes. They are stuck in a vicious cycle at the moment. The only solution is a massive spending cut in the short term. Cut business taxes to the bone. Get businesses employing people, investing in new plant and machinery etc. that new money will stimulate the economy again. There will be no economic boost until that happens.

BananaPeels · 09/09/2026 18:16

Pineneedlesincarpet · 09/09/2026 18:09

I'd prefer cuts to the housing budget than our country being inadequately defended thanks. I really don't want my kids to have to join the army because we've encouraged our enemies to think we are weak and ill-defended enough to attack. If we go to war the economy goes on a war footing and benefits will be the first to go.

100% this. We are at peak tax at the moment, they can keep squeezing and squeezing but ultimately all they are going to make receipts go down. They have to make cuts somewhere. If the government invests in our own defence firms it is a win - win as the money will be recirculated in the UK. Think of the stimulation to tech firms and the potential economic growth.

rockstarshoes · 09/09/2026 18:15

He was taking about Kemi’s plan to cut housing benefit making people homeless!
He wasn’t talking about social security in the old fashioned sense just that having thousands of people in temporary accommodation or homeless will affect the Social Security of the Country, which of course it will!

Look at the threats to the social security of the Country that has come from some areas of the Country that have been left in abject poverty by Brexit & Austerity!

The Country is hardly thriving is it?

BrandiedAromatics · 09/09/2026 18:13

Greyrock79 · 09/09/2026 18:10

I think many of us are tired at Labours continued attempts to buy votes via welfare.

It has to stop.

100 backbenchers opposed it when Starmer tried to address this issue in 2025.

The mistake was the winter fuel cuts. So many people complained to the MPs they wouldn't take it again.

Greyrock79 · 09/09/2026 18:10

I think many of us are tired at Labours continued attempts to buy votes via welfare.

It has to stop.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 09/09/2026 18:09

RedTagAlan · 09/09/2026 15:33

No link or anything for context ?

I looked it up. Appears to be in response to the Tories wanting to take 4 billion out of housing benefit to put into defense ?

The PM says he is still committed to getting to NATO spend targets.

He also said-

“I don’t think myself that taking £4bn out of housing benefit is going to get the right consensus around this issue, because that would create levels of homelessness in this country that we wouldn’t have seen before – hundreds of thousands of children in temporary accommodation."

Maybe Kemi is thinking of putting camp beds on carriers ?

I'd prefer cuts to the housing budget than our country being inadequately defended thanks. I really don't want my kids to have to join the army because we've encouraged our enemies to think we are weak and ill-defended enough to attack. If we go to war the economy goes on a war footing and benefits will be the first to go.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 09/09/2026 18:04

It's terrifying. He seems to be running our defence policy on a hope and a prayer that the economy picks up before Russia decides to do more than cut our underwater cables which is presumably what those Russian subs in our waters are working out how to do.

Binnyforthewin · 09/09/2026 16:01

RedTagAlan · 09/09/2026 15:33

No link or anything for context ?

I looked it up. Appears to be in response to the Tories wanting to take 4 billion out of housing benefit to put into defense ?

The PM says he is still committed to getting to NATO spend targets.

He also said-

“I don’t think myself that taking £4bn out of housing benefit is going to get the right consensus around this issue, because that would create levels of homelessness in this country that we wouldn’t have seen before – hundreds of thousands of children in temporary accommodation."

Maybe Kemi is thinking of putting camp beds on carriers ?

It's the BBC headline news. Andy Burnham: National security can't come at expense of social security - BBC News

Even Starmer at least said he understood that the first role of the Government is to defend the realm. Burham seems to think the number 1 priority for the Government should be buses.

Andy Burnham

Andy Burnham: National security can't come at expense of social security

The prime minister says he will fund defence and get the welfare bill down in "the Labour way".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yw3223w1vo

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Worrall20 · 09/09/2026 15:56

RedTagAlan · 09/09/2026 15:33

No link or anything for context ?

I looked it up. Appears to be in response to the Tories wanting to take 4 billion out of housing benefit to put into defense ?

The PM says he is still committed to getting to NATO spend targets.

He also said-

“I don’t think myself that taking £4bn out of housing benefit is going to get the right consensus around this issue, because that would create levels of homelessness in this country that we wouldn’t have seen before – hundreds of thousands of children in temporary accommodation."

Maybe Kemi is thinking of putting camp beds on carriers ?

It was PMQ’s. Burnham is so out of his depth it is embarrassing.

RedTagAlan · 09/09/2026 15:33

No link or anything for context ?

I looked it up. Appears to be in response to the Tories wanting to take 4 billion out of housing benefit to put into defense ?

The PM says he is still committed to getting to NATO spend targets.

He also said-

“I don’t think myself that taking £4bn out of housing benefit is going to get the right consensus around this issue, because that would create levels of homelessness in this country that we wouldn’t have seen before – hundreds of thousands of children in temporary accommodation."

Maybe Kemi is thinking of putting camp beds on carriers ?

Minasama · 09/09/2026 15:14

That is an entirely ludicrous statement in the current environment, albeit I get that his position is difficult.

Sesquioxides · 09/09/2026 15:12

Wow. So there’s a word for governments who basically buy votes by handing out benefits right left and centre but I can’t remember what it was. It’s an established (not commenting on the ethics) way of buying votes though and the current government seems big into this idea. The UK govs of various flavours have been buying votes this way for so long I don’t think they know how to get back out of it.

Ncforthis2267 · 09/09/2026 15:10

Yabu