Channel 4 undercover re Farage

Apart from Nathan Gill!

Although to be fair Labour campaigned on a platform of restoring integrity and cleaning up politics and as of to date have achieved neither. Don’t vote Reform but don’t think they have been found guilty of anything yet?

Yes there was. And posters got jumped upon on doing so.

Neither Labour or Conservatives have found themselves in the position Reform is in right now.

Very true indeed! Lots of whataboutery on those thread too.

Why? It's not like there haven't been loads of threads discussing Labour.

For this thread it feels very much like whataboutery.

I have already stated that it should be fully investigated. The point I was making is that the same should apply to all Political Parties.

Mandela and his involvement with a paedophile? That happened and is recorded for posterity. Haigh convicted fraudster, yet appointed to the front bench. Also happened and recorded for posterity. Reynolds lied saying he was a solicitor he is not, also happened and recorded for posterity. Rayner did not pay the correct tax, breached in the ministerial code happened and is recorded for posterity. Now whilst that is only a few could continue e.gTulip Saddiq etc .

Just pointing out again, that any criminality/lies should be called out regarding any of the political parties.

Feel free to list them. And the outcomes.

And then you can tell us how they compare to the Reform leadership repeatedly laughing at their supporters assaulting a woman. Because that happened, and is recorded for posterity.

Bit hypercritical really?

Nowhere as this is a thread about Reform.

Exactly my point, Reform should be thoroughly investigated. If you mean Labour scandals where do you want me to start?

Did any of those investigated scandals lead to anything?

If Reform have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about

If Farage/Reform are found guilty of anything then it should be dealt with. However since being in power we had scandals, dishonesty and incompetence by this Labour Government, does that not worry you?

What does Reform being investigated have to do with the EU

Unless you are referring to Russian influence?

@DuncinToffee

Okay. So, if immigration has declined (which is good), what happened to the previous remain argument that increased immigration was due to Brexit?

Investigations are not yet concluded. Even if Reform are found guilty of wrongdoing, how will remain supporters have gained?

Will the UK receive a letter from the EU which states:

Dear UK,

Subsequent to Reform being found guilty, we confirm the following:

Events since 23 June 2016 are deemed never to have happened.

UK will be a member of the EU as before. However, as a bonus for Reform being found guilty, the UK will not be required to make payments to the EU, but UK will be paid by the EU.

The US has agreed to lower tariffs on the EU to the same level as those applied to UK whilst it was not a member of the EU.

Those on the BBC QT panel on 24 September 2026 who said UK should not rejoin the EU will be jailed.

The statistics on immigration are easily found , they are about more than asylum seekers using small boats.

The number of investigations into Reform are quite something, aren't they.

Being caught on camera is helpful.

@DuncinToffee

Immigration numbers are down

Is that not due to the fact that unauthorised entries into the EU fell by 25% in 2025 and a further 37% in the first half of 2026? Link is:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/commentaries/qa-why-have-small-boat-arrivals-declined-in-2026/

Investigations into Reform are up

Correct, but investigations are not yet complete. Being investigated does not establish guilt.

I have been investigated twice by HMRC. First time for the period 1995 to 2004. I still remember my euphoria this day when the outcome was HMRC owed me.

Second time was earlier this year. They wanted clarification on travel expenses I had claimed. That too came to nothing.

Even if Reform are found to be guilty of wrongdoing in each investigation, how will remain supporters have gained?

Immigration numbers are down

Investigations into Reform are up.

I am not policing anything. I am just posting observations, on a thread about Reform being caught being dishonest.

Just chatting, that is all.

It's up to readers to decide if there is any irony here. In my observations I mean.

@RedTagAlan

How about I don't ask a question. And just do a post that includes this "Both Labour and Tories have an incentive for the current influx of people into the country to continue"

That post has already been made. As has:

beholden to their friends in big business", "globalists", fool the British public".

and

." Both Labour and Tories have an incentive for the current influx of people into the country to continue",

Regards Conservatives and Labour, maybe they do want immigration to continue, but for different reasons. Hence no need to communicate or conspire.

Both have promised to reduce immigration to 10s of thousands for decades, but it has not happened. So, either they are not interested whether immigration goes up or down, or they gain from immigration.

Why are you saying different things to different political demographics ?

Like voting, people are free to choose what they post on MN, or any other forum. If posts are considered to be inappropriate, or do not comply with forum guidelines, the owners of the forum will delete.

Different political demographics may not ask the same questions or make the same comments. Hence they may receive different replies. Either way, posts can’t be policed by other posters.

Further to my above post. I want to ask the board. Is the term " Globalists" still a far right dog whistle, used to refer to a too long persecuted group of peoples ?

I remember it certainly was in many of the far right publications I have read.

When I see that term used, I certainly do not reply to it in the affirmative. Especially when it is being used by someone who appears to be, shall we say, rather far right.

I try to avoid dog whistles myself. Or words that are used as such.

Lot of semantics going on here. Running more circles than a Christmas train set.

Quote from your post above-
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"As for the question,

Do you think there is some sort of conspiracy thing going on between the Tories and Labour on immigration? Maybe not a conspiracy, lets call it an agenda.

What the Conservatives and Labour say to each other behind closed doors, I don’t know. Do you? Regards immigration, both have said over several decades that numbers would be reduced to the 10s of thousands, but it has never happened."
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My question in bold, your words in Italics. Dashes for format. That is what you wrote above. Here, on a mostly anti-reform thread.

You say you do not know what labour and the Tories say behind closed doors.

ON THIS THREAD.

How about I don't ask a question. And just do a post that includes this "Both Labour and Tories have an incentive for the current influx of people into the country to continue". And lets say I post that as part of a post that has a rather conspiracy theory style to it. With other words and phrases such as " beholden to their friends in big business", "globalists", fool the British public".

Would you be saying "What the Conservatives and Labour say to each other behind closed doors, I don’t know. ". Or might you pick out a line from that post- this line perhaps.." Both Labour and Tories have an incentive for the current influx of people into the country to continue", and say this
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"Correct.

Conservatives want cheap labour.

Labour wants people who will vote for them in return for all the freebies."
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I missed out by the way. The conspiracy style post is on an anti immigrant thread, and most of the posters are anti immigrant.

Direct question again, sorry. Why is it that on this thread, an anti-reform thread, you do not know what "the Conservatives and Labour say to each other behind closed doors", but on a different anti migrant thread, you state this "Correct. Conservatives want cheap labour. Labour wants people who will vote for them in return for all the freebies.".

And you say that with such confidence to those who are, shall we say, leaning towards conspiracies.

And the posts are within hours of each other.

Why are you saying different things to different political demographics ?

@RedTagAlan

so you were asked if you thought immigration was the top policy, and you said no

Incorrect statement. Your question was,

Does that mean that for you, the only thing Reform offer is immigration?

No reference was made to top policy.

My reply was that the Reform 2024 Contract referred not only to immigration, but other subjects such as; personal allowance, net zero, government spending, etc,.

As for the question,

Do you think there is some sort of conspiracy thing going on between the Tories and Labour on immigration? Maybe not a conspiracy, lets call it an agenda.

What the Conservatives and Labour say to each other behind closed doors, I don’t know. Do you? Regards immigration, both have said over several decades that numbers would be reduced to the 10s of thousands, but it has never happened.

You have proven how Reform operate.

How? Reform has an estimated 270,000 members and I don’t know any of them. Reason is that I am not a member of Reform, or any other party. So, what they say to each other on how to present their ideas, I wouldn’t know.

This thread is about the sting operation against Reform. And it has now included what happened at the conference. And basically, the thread is on the low burner awaiting police announcements. And your good self, a pro Brexit defender who many who are posting here, have debated with on Brexit threads, are defending Farage and so on.

Totally spot on. Free country, open forum. Robust debate all round.

And you say you did not vote for Reform last time, because you want to keep the Tories out. And that is odd to me because Reform and the Tories have closer policies, apart from immigration, so you were asked if you thought immigration was the top policy, and you said no, its Nuke Energy, No Net Zero... all a bit odd because why vote labour? Because Tory are closer to Reform, and you do a bit of slip sliding about. But you will not say if you support Reform on immigration.

NOT ON THIS THREAD ANYWAY.

I follow a few different threads. As do most posters. And some I just read and don't post on. I just read, and if I see something, I might post. Passing time, as we do.

Now I do not believe in cross thread posting. I think there are ethics involved. It just not feels fair to me. And it's only a Forum after all. Just for the craic, chewing the cud and all that. And we all have to assume we are being honest, posting in good faith etc. We are not here with agendas to spread, we mostly share our opinions and discuss, debate, argue.

But this thread, this very thread, is about Reform and their alleged dishonesty. Or we can call it "truth avoidance". And most posters here do appear to be anti-Reform.

So instead of asking you if you support Reform because of their immigration policy, how about if I rephrase that question.

Do you think there is some sort of conspiracy thing going on between the Tories and Labour on immigration? Maybe not a conspiracy, lets call it an agenda.

Would your answer be...

"Correct.
Conservatives want cheap labour.
Labour wants people who will vote for them in return for all the freebies."

Sorry. I let my ethics slip a little there.

Here we are. On a thread about how Reform are dishonest, or truth selective, not good faith posters... what to say. You have proven how Reform operate. That is, be gentle towards anti Reform or undecided. Try to persuade. To soften. If in an anti-immigration chamber echo chamber, let it rip, reinforce, build it up... escalate.

@RedTagAlan

I asked you, quote, "Does that mean that for you, the only thing Reform offer is immigration? That if they do not offer that, then they can't win because you certainly won't vote for them?". You did not answer.

It was answered. Reform 2024 Contract listed policies other than immigration such as, increase the personal allowance, move away from net zero and reduce government waste are the ones I remember. I also remember leave the ECHR.

Now you say you agree with other reform policies, yet the ones you mention are closer to Tory than Labour. But you voted labour

Where did I say that I agree with what Reform listed in their 2024 contract? The wording of my response was:

I don’t remember all what it said, but it included:

The word remember can’t be construed to mean agree.

I voted Labour as, like every other UK registered voter, I am free to choose.

Yet you seem unwilling to own their single most important, if not their only real, policy

Policies belong to whose who make them and then enact them, not by those who didn’t.

Reform 2024 Contract can be found in:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371

You did not respond to what I posted, so not sure why you are tagging me.

I posted about recording political affiliation when recording crime. And I pondered if that would show any pattern. You did not address that.

I asked you, quote, "Does that mean that for you, the only thing Reform offer is immigration? That if they do not offer that, then they can't win because you certainly won't vote for them?". You did not answer.

You have already said you did not vote reform last time because you wanted to keep the Tories out. Now you say you agree with other reform policies, yet the ones you mention are closer to Tory than Labour. But you voted labour.

Something is not adding up. Because here you are, always posting in support of Reform, so far as I can see. Yet you seem unwilling to own their single most important, if not their only real, policy.

Leaving the ECHR for example, is only so they can carry out their number one policy.