FFS Clacton

There is no specific leftie. Lefty is anyone Nigel Farage says it is on any given day., The list is endless.🤣

I’m more coming at it from Labour MP’s fears.

They feared Reform winning and were ready to change leader to try to stop that happening, and they thought Reform’s success was in part due to immigration policies so were ready to switch to Mahmood.

Only if you believe the electorate have been manipulated by Reform to hate Starmer and care about immigration rather than thinking these things by themselves. If the latter then Labour would need to change to be electable, regardless of Reform.
As it happens I do think Reform are manipulating peoples views on immigration, so will concede your point.

Farage / Reform have changed the direction of Labour massively already. From Mahmood’s policies to a new leader.

If he voted for Farage to annoy lefties then he is stupid, and I'm happy to say so.
Its not us who are going to get stuck with an incompetent wrong 'un for an MP. We are sitting pretty right now with our shiny new PM and a good two years of the government we voted for ahead of us.
Unless he meant the 'lefties' of Clacton, who may have been annoyed. However one Reform MP isn't going to change the direction of travel for the Labour government so they still have more to be happy about than the stupid guy.

You're meant to quote the specific leftie you're whinging about.

Not me, I want a PR system so that more parties a represented, even if it means Reform wins more seats.

Are you a rightie who wants the right to be the only option?

Another example of a leftie wanting the left to be the only option

Thatcher actually did her job.

Farage was successful in achieving Brexit, you wonder why he is not celebrating it and takes credit for the boats and the change in immigration.

I think we are just rehashing our old points now. I explained upthread why I consider him to be a successful politician.

You might as well call Thatcher unsuccessful as a poltitician because she failed to grow the power of the unions. It’s not what she was going for.

Farage stood in 1999 as MEP candidate on a platform of withdrawal. Not of fisheries policy reform.

He's delivering SFA for the people of Clacton.

Too busy serving himself, his mates and Vladimir Putin.

He didn't do anything for the fishing industry as an MEP, the job he was elected for.

Tirade against the EU but happy to accept their money.

Now as an MP his attendance record is similar. Just look up his voting record.
What is he delivering for the people of Clacton?

What is he delivering for his £5m?

I am not sure what we are debating, his Brexit success?

It was a sort of tirade against the EU, as you’d expect! The “who are you?” one to van Rompuy.

But you’re right. Not much attendance but a lot of coverage. Great politics for him.

I’m not sure what you think a successful politician of Farage’s politics would be doing at the EU parliament. He doesn’t have any legitimate interest in EU legislation by that point. He had one major political goal and he delivered it.

Its as if Tony Benn had taken his hereditary seat in order to decry the institution of the unelected second chamber, had successful led to its abolition, and you were to call him an unsuccessful politician on the grounds that he hadn’t passed many amendments while a lord. He fundamentally disagrees with it. His big political goal was to get out, and he did.

This conversation is a bit at cross-purposes because you keep pointing out things Farage did that you dislike and that I also dislike. Unless they made him a less successful politician I don’t think they are relevant. We’re not debating whether we like him or approve of his behaviour or agree wifn his policies, becuase we both don’t.

What did he say in this speech? Anything about the fishing industry?

You were lucky to catch it with Farage's attendance record.

Was it about his friend Gill and the Russian bribes?

He has got a nice pension out of it.

I will certainly not. You don't get to silence my voice, you don't get to control my posts. If posting here is distressing you, step away from the keyboard. It's not up to me, or anyone else here to manage your emotions @GeneralPeter.

Please stop now. There’s nothing more to be had here.

Debating robustly and in good faith? Is accusing me of triggering🙄 you by quoting you, and then getting abusive, your idea of a good faith debate?😬

I disagree. Debating robustly and in good faith, yes.

Continually misconstruing a poster to have them answer for things they didn’t say and don’t believe is borderline. Is the poster genuinely unable to grasp the difference or is it malicious? It can be hard to judge.

Continuing to engage with someone who has asked repeatedly for you to stop I think is a step too far.

And taking an on-board disagreement into direct messages after that person has made clear they don’t want to engage any further is something I have never known in 15 years.

Please desist.

@faithfultoGeorgeMichael
The main parties did not want to be part of Farage’s circus of a by-election. Why should they waste time and money on that ridiculous contest. He’s playing the victim again.

That's not the way this forum business works @GeneralPeter. If you post contridictory, confusing nonsense people, including me, will discuss that with you.🤷‍♀️

Are you normally this angry with women?

I’m asking you again to please stop writing to me, either in the board or in direct messages. I won’t be replying to either, except to ask you to stop again if you continue.

You said he was a thick conspiracy theorist.

To be fair, when he was a MEP for UKIP. He had one policy and got it delivered. I think he has been quite successful. I'd go as far as saying too successful.

OK:

He’s one of the few MEPs whose speeches I can recall any of.

He’s probably one of the few MEPs that any Briton could name.

He leveraged his MEP position pretty effectively to advance his politics.

As MP for Clacton he’s led his party to leadership in the national polls (now slightly off).

Is there anyone you would name as a successful politician whose politics you disagree with?

Maybe look at his track record as an MEP and as MP for Clacton.

He is a successful disruptor and very successful in pulling wool over people's eyes. Anti-establishment, man of the people.

And extremely succesful in getting money from people for doing so.