FFS Clacton

Unlikely on its own, the Tory vote has collapsed everywhere. I suspect Rupert Lowe might be his nemesis.

What is your evidence for the assertion that the Conservatives introduced tougher immigration policies? They are the ones who put asylum seekers in hotels. That has caused a lot of the anger amongst reform voters.

You won't want to rejoin the EU then - anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers are the norm in some Eastern European countries. Covid vaccination rates in Bulgaria and Romania for example are ridiculously low - only 30/40%. Freedom of movement with anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers is the last thing you want.

She likely is referring to visa immigration policies but on hotels Labour switching to mass accommodation with barracks won’t help them.

I was not expecting Count Binface to win, but Nigel Farage did lower than polled.

If there is a second by-election and the Tories put up a credible candidate, hopefully that will mean defeat for Mr Farage.

I was not expecting Count Binface to win, but Nigel Farage did lower than polled.

If there is a second by-election and the Tories put up a credible candidate, hopefully that will mean defeat for Mr Farage.

I’ve never met a nice reform voter, either. And in fact, the ones I have met are also anti vaxxers and they think Covid was a hoax.

What is your evidence for the assertion that the Conservatives introduced tougher immigration policies? They are the ones who put asylum seekers in hotels. That has caused a lot of the anger amongst reform voters.

I’ve never personally met a Reform voter who was well informed politically or genuinely open to debate. Just look at some of the comments on this thread about Labour - when the statistics show that Labour’s policies of tackling immigration at its source are having real impact, they’re not interested. Reform voters typically aren’t interested in Labour succeeding in tackling immigration

The only Reform voter I know well is a former Tory Councillor with a degree - he is obviously well informed politically.

You are not very well informed yourself as the Labour government has mostly benefitted from tougher immigration policies enacted by the Conservatives before they left office. With regards to small boat arrivals, reductions in numbers will largely reflect the fall in asylum seekers generally across Europe over the last year.

not all Reform/Restore voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform/Restore

This claim is nonsense on many levels.

The problem is that many people will shape their opinions on personal experience.

And unfortunately there are many Reform voters who ARE uneducated, racist, xenophobic, and extremely right wing.

I hear lots of people online talking about how not all Reform supporters are bigoted racists, and I’m sure that must be true. But in real life, every Reform voter I know holds pretty unpleasant views. I heard one say (a few days ago) that white and black people “shouldn’t be allowed” to marry and have babies. I wish I was joking.

I think lots of it comes down to the reasoning - the Reform voters I know just hate immigrants. It doesn’t matter if they’re legal or illegal - they just hate anyone who’s not “English”. Not even British. English. And that’s why they vote Reform - it’s an opportunity for their really unpleasant views to be validated. See also Trump.

There are other people who are deeply concerned about immigration because they believe too many/unvetted people are arriving. It’s not driven by an intrinsic hatred of anything non-British. These people don’t tend to vote Reform.

It’s like Brexit all over again really. The root of the beliefs is the issue.

Abd it’s the same for the rest of their policies. They blindly trust Nigel to help the man on the street while he’s thumbing his nose at his constituency and taking multi-million backhanders.

I’ve never personally met a Reform voter who was well informed politically or genuinely open to debate. Just look at some of the comments on this thread about Labour - when the statistics show that Labour’s policies of tackling immigration at its source are having real impact, they’re not interested. Reform voters typically aren’t interested in Labour succeeding in tackling immigration, because that’s not Saint Nigel. That’s the difference.

FWIW, I have been extremely critical of Burnham’s route to power. I think he’s morally abused the system. But Farage is on a whole other level - I just hope forensic investigators are good enough to find out what’s going on. Farage has had time to hide the bodies, fiscally speaking.

I’m sure there must be decent Reform voters - I just haven’t met one myself. The old saying seems to be fit for adapted use here - not all Reform/Restore voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform/Restore. And that’s the issue.

Do you feeling the same about Andy?

The problem is that many people will shape their opinions on personal experience.

And unfortunately there are many Reform voters who ARE uneducated, racist, xenophobic, and extremely right wing.

I hear lots of people online talking about how not all Reform supporters are bigoted racists, and I’m sure that must be true. But in real life, every Reform voter I know holds pretty unpleasant views. I heard one say (a few days ago) that white and black people “shouldn’t be allowed” to marry and have babies. I wish I was joking.

I think lots of it comes down to the reasoning - the Reform voters I know just hate immigrants. It doesn’t matter if they’re legal or illegal - they just hate anyone who’s not “English”. Not even British. English. And that’s why they vote Reform - it’s an opportunity for their really unpleasant views to be validated. See also Trump.

There are other people who are deeply concerned about immigration because they believe too many/unvetted people are arriving. It’s not driven by an intrinsic hatred of anything non-British. These people don’t tend to vote Reform.

It’s like Brexit all over again really. The root of the beliefs is the issue.

Abd it’s the same for the rest of their policies. They blindly trust Nigel to help the man on the street while he’s thumbing his nose at his constituency and taking multi-million backhanders.

I’ve never personally met a Reform voter who was well informed politically or genuinely open to debate. Just look at some of the comments on this thread about Labour - when the statistics show that Labour’s policies of tackling immigration at its source are having real impact, they’re not interested. Reform voters typically aren’t interested in Labour succeeding in tackling immigration, because that’s not Saint Nigel. That’s the difference.

FWIW, I have been extremely critical of Burnham’s route to power. I think he’s morally abused the system. But Farage is on a whole other level - I just hope forensic investigators are good enough to find out what’s going on. Farage has had time to hide the bodies, fiscally speaking.

I’m sure there must be decent Reform voters - I just haven’t met one myself. The old saying seems to be fit for adapted use here - not all Reform/Restore voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform/Restore. And that’s the issue.

I’ve never met a kind left winger. Those who go on parenting marches even though they know it causes fear in the Jewish community

Do you feeling the same about Andy?

The problem is that many people will shape their opinions on personal experience.

And unfortunately there are many Reform voters who ARE uneducated, racist, xenophobic, and extremely right wing.

I hear lots of people online talking about how not all Reform supporters are bigoted racists, and I’m sure that must be true. But in real life, every Reform voter I know holds pretty unpleasant views. I heard one say (a few days ago) that white and black people “shouldn’t be allowed” to marry and have babies. I wish I was joking.

I think lots of it comes down to the reasoning - the Reform voters I know just hate immigrants. It doesn’t matter if they’re legal or illegal - they just hate anyone who’s not “English”. Not even British. English. And that’s why they vote Reform - it’s an opportunity for their really unpleasant views to be validated. See also Trump.

There are other people who are deeply concerned about immigration because they believe too many/unvetted people are arriving. It’s not driven by an intrinsic hatred of anything non-British. These people don’t tend to vote Reform.

It’s like Brexit all over again really. The root of the beliefs is the issue.

Abd it’s the same for the rest of their policies. They blindly trust Nigel to help the man on the street while he’s thumbing his nose at his constituency and taking multi-million backhanders.

I’ve never personally met a Reform voter who was well informed politically or genuinely open to debate. Just look at some of the comments on this thread about Labour - when the statistics show that Labour’s policies of tackling immigration at its source are having real impact, they’re not interested. Reform voters typically aren’t interested in Labour succeeding in tackling immigration, because that’s not Saint Nigel. That’s the difference.

FWIW, I have been extremely critical of Burnham’s route to power. I think he’s morally abused the system. But Farage is on a whole other level - I just hope forensic investigators are good enough to find out what’s going on. Farage has had time to hide the bodies, fiscally speaking.

I’m sure there must be decent Reform voters - I just haven’t met one myself. The old saying seems to be fit for adapted use here - not all Reform/Restore voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform/Restore. And that’s the issue.

It costs everyone in the UK money as the investigation has to be re-opened, which also potentially means yet another by election costing hundreds of thousands of pounds.

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This is the issue. It pisses me off that people refuse, blank, to see what's going on.

And no, I've never met a kind reform voter either. One of my neighbours I see walking around told me he'd shoot all the people in the boats. I felt sick that not only people hold these views but felt ok to say them out loud and think it's just dandy.

It costs everyone in the UK money as the investigation has to be re-opened, which also potentially means yet another by election costing hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The problem is that many people will shape their opinions on personal experience.

And unfortunately there are many Reform voters who ARE uneducated, racist, xenophobic, and extremely right wing.

I hear lots of people online talking about how not all Reform supporters are bigoted racists, and I’m sure that must be true. But in real life, every Reform voter I know holds pretty unpleasant views. I heard one say (a few days ago) that white and black people “shouldn’t be allowed” to marry and have babies. I wish I was joking.

I think lots of it comes down to the reasoning - the Reform voters I know just hate immigrants. It doesn’t matter if they’re legal or illegal - they just hate anyone who’s not “English”. Not even British. English. And that’s why they vote Reform - it’s an opportunity for their really unpleasant views to be validated. See also Trump.

There are other people who are deeply concerned about immigration because they believe too many/unvetted people are arriving. It’s not driven by an intrinsic hatred of anything non-British. These people don’t tend to vote Reform.

It’s like Brexit all over again really. The root of the beliefs is the issue.

Abd it’s the same for the rest of their policies. They blindly trust Nigel to help the man on the street while he’s thumbing his nose at his constituency and taking multi-million backhanders.

I’ve never personally met a Reform voter who was well informed politically or genuinely open to debate. Just look at some of the comments on this thread about Labour - when the statistics show that Labour’s policies of tackling immigration at its source are having real impact, they’re not interested. Reform voters typically aren’t interested in Labour succeeding in tackling immigration, because that’s not Saint Nigel. That’s the difference.

FWIW, I have been extremely critical of Burnham’s route to power. I think he’s morally abused the system. But Farage is on a whole other level - I just hope forensic investigators are good enough to find out what’s going on. Farage has had time to hide the bodies, fiscally speaking.

I’m sure there must be decent Reform voters - I just haven’t met one myself. The old saying seems to be fit for adapted use here - not all Reform/Restore voters are racist, but all racists vote Reform/Restore. And that’s the issue.

Why are you bothered? You don't live in Clacton.

If Reform ever do get in, will the men in white coats have to take you away?

Farage wasnt even an MP when he received the money.
He probably needed since some slimy little toad (no names mentioned) cut his security detail off.