Andy's first U turn

He hasn’t destroyed my faith. I appreciate his honesty in trying to navigate an incredibly complex situation. I don’t think he’s U turned either.

I tend to agree with your second analysis.

What I’m asking is - did you want them released? If the change in policy has made what you want happen why is that a bad thing?
It seems you would rather the ‘bad thing’ happen than change course.
AB was wrong if they were released “awful policy” and he is wrong if he stops them being released “u turn”.
It’s almost like you are not arguing in good faith and just want a stick to beat him with, but I’m sure that isn’t true.

So Andy speaks, Whitehall says “Um excuse me PM….” Andy says “but I am PM, find a way”. Whitehall says “Looking into it”. Whitehall comes back and says “Well we could actually do a bit of this and a bit of that”. PM addresses the public and says “There I have done it”. Good PM?

Or

Andy blurts something out, Whitehall says “Um, excuse me PM….” PM quietly retreats and pretends the original promise never happened. Bad PM?

The question is what kind of U turn it was. In this case I think it was Burnham coming up against bureaucratic constraints and pushing back and getting a better outcome.

Watching closely!

Do you think the review was a good idea?
He was initially told these men had to be released for legal/technical reasons and then reviewed it again?
There was a public outcry - which he listened to to.

The comment about him being on a beach is nonsense. Do you really think politicians shouldn’t go on holiday - that is a really bad idea for reasons to obvious to go into. It’s a sloppy ill thought out gotcha insult. Do better.

Yes that what’s happens in a political debate. One person says one thing and then someone else who disagrees with them puts over a different point of view.
Anything else you need explaining about democracy and free speech?

Grow up.

Oh look - the AB Fan club has turned up!

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It seems the Probation Unions are turning against him so I'm sure there will be more changes soon.

You just can't help the whataboutery can you?

No the Fuck up was he carried out a review of who was going to released and created a group of excluded prisioners. As a result of that he thought these murderers were fine to release. The public have told him to fuck right off with that. So he has done another review and now concluded that they shouldn't.

In realty we all know that he didn't really look at the first list as he was on a beach sunning himself.

‘Fucking up”? Did you want them released? Your issue is he was given one lot of information and then changed the policy, your argument is he should have done nothing? Or his crime is saying something he was able to rectify in 24 hours.
Hey if you think that is fucking up just wait till I tell you about David Cameron and Brexit!

So you were really hopeful he’d do a good job but less than a month in you are ‘desperately disappointed’ - I suggest you might be being slightly disingenuous, in fact I don’t think I can trust a word you say after a U turn like that.

We'd rather our politicians didn't keep fucking up and having to correct their mistakes!

Do you want these people released or not? I’m unsure if this is about the best decision being made or catching a politician out.

It seems someone people would rather something they didn’t want to happen to
happens, rather than a politician to say - I thought this but have found out that so I’m changing my mind.

Politician actually listens to public opinion on their policies, takes sensible feedback on board and rejigs policy slightly to accommodate that. What a wanker!

This! I still don’t understand exactly what the U turn is?

So he took note of the public anger and is trying to work out a way to stop the release happening why is that a "u-turn"?

I'm in this camp...however ultimately I don't care who's in charge or how.many u-turns they make as long as the decisions made are for the better.

I don't think scrutinising every single thing, waiting for them to 'trip up' helps at all. That's exactly what got us here in the first place.

What’s the 90% that isn’t?

I don’t see this as a U turn at all. It’s a hideously difficult situation to solve and Burnham’s showing his workings. I’d far rather this than a politician who makes hasty decisions and doggedly sticks to them rather than admit they were wrong.

That’s about 10% true.

Hardly a U turn though is it, just a review of those most serious criminals due to be released. Had he released them you would be screaming too.

Labour face the fact that the Tories haven't invested in prisons so they are running out of spaces for criminals....so bad is the situation that police are having to review who's being arrested.

What is ths prime minister meant to do? The government will be looking at all options but the message that you can commit crime and get away with it because there's no room at the inn can not be case for obvious reasons.

He's got the same problem with social care, the Tories prioritised Brexit rather than tackle the issue of how we fund social care. The Telegraph and Daily Mail having a meltdown over tax on assets to pay it but unwilling to suggest how it's funded.

This is what happens when the Tories have been in government for over a decade. Everything is falling to bits because of the obsession with market forces, public spending cuts, austerity, Brexit, privatised companies allowed to get away with pretty much everything.