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MeetMeOnTheCorner · 14/09/2026 19:09

@celticnations Yes let’s give vast sums to people who get about a 30.% turnout to be voted in.

celticnations · 14/09/2026 18:52

Good.

Management or Leadership #101.

Delegate.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 08/09/2026 23:13

@Woj Keeping yourself in power and getting support of the people are the same thing essentially. You have no power without support. FPTP can deliver big majorities when most people have voted for other parties. Or parties get a large % of the vote but next to no mps. Two parties stops that but we don’t have that, and won’t. The more parties that split the vote, the more FPTP won’t deliver anyone with a 50% share of the vote. So who is being represented in parliament? Around 1/3 of voters.

Many people who would be good politicians, and have well thought out ideas, don’t want to be politicians. For good reason. Most will be earning way more without the hassle and hatred faced by politicians. Women especially. It’s often a lot of travelling, little time off and no thanks for not much money. So we have people who haven’t done much of a job before they go into politics. This is evidenced by hardly any of them having worked in or run a business. Many appear bright but in some respects are ignorant. There’s too much bleating about constituents who might be a small minority but not enough effort put into policies the majority need.

Woj · 08/09/2026 18:42

cricketnut77 · 07/09/2026 22:52

Yet more useless politicians. This time without mandates. Less than 1% of the East Midlands were consulted whether they wanted a mayor and a majority didn't want one. Yet they foisted one on us anyway. And that one barely anyone voted for. Thats not democracy

The UK has a useless election system, whereby a candidate needs merely 1 vote more than anyone else to win outright victory.

Every time someone gets elected it's with a "huge majority", but not a majority of the votes.

And it's hardly surprising that such a useless system encourages/promotes useless politicians, as they're more interested in how to keep themselves in power rather than to have the support of the people to ensure their re-election.

https://www.change.org/MakeVotingMeaningful

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BIossomtoes · 08/09/2026 12:16

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 08/09/2026 12:03

@patooties At what cost? Why did Manchester even need a mayor then if all these councillors are wonderful? Its jobs for the boys and rural areas are completely left behind as the cities get all the money! Our CC is very strapped for cash because it’s diverted away from rural areas.

I live in rural E Anglia. We have a mayor and are soon to have a combined authority. It makes very sound financial sense, why would you have six chief executives on six figure salaries when the whole thing could be run by one?

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 08/09/2026 12:03

@patooties At what cost? Why did Manchester even need a mayor then if all these councillors are wonderful? Its jobs for the boys and rural areas are completely left behind as the cities get all the money! Our CC is very strapped for cash because it’s diverted away from rural areas.

patooties · 08/09/2026 00:42

I live in Manchester - we have had a combined authority under both a Tory and Labour government. Within the CA there were politicians and councils of every shade. It worked. 10/10 should do more of it.

MeetMeOnTheCorner · 08/09/2026 00:28

I’m in the countryside. We have a county council. I don’t want a mayor as well! Nor do I want Reform getting any control over spending. All this means is the city areas get the money and the countryside gets nothing. Like now!

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 07/09/2026 23:16

What have mayors got to do with a written constitution? Burnham’s talking gibberish.

I suppose the idea is that he sounds all grand and impressive to the gullible left with his talk of fundamental constitutional change, but it’s all nonsense.

cricketnut77 · 07/09/2026 22:52

Yet more useless politicians. This time without mandates. Less than 1% of the East Midlands were consulted whether they wanted a mayor and a majority didn't want one. Yet they foisted one on us anyway. And that one barely anyone voted for. Thats not democracy

MellersSmellers · 13/08/2026 15:46

Definitely happy to have more directly elected Mayors and more decisions/spend happening locally, and I think/hope that this would lead to greater cost efficiency over the current system of unelected central govt departments choosing what to spend where.
I'm looking also for some rationalisation and consistency across local govt so we don't have the confusing mix of district councils, Unitary authorities etc etc that we have now.

BIossomtoes · 11/08/2026 08:16

Mrsbadger77 · 11/08/2026 07:38

I take it you don't live under BCC ? Absolute shambles and the thought of them getting more of my taxes make me feel sick to my stomach.

The mayoralty is nothing to do with BCC.

Mrsbadger77 · 11/08/2026 07:38

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 08:42

It has been in Manchester, Teeside and Birmingham.

I take it you don't live under BCC ? Absolute shambles and the thought of them getting more of my taxes make me feel sick to my stomach.

Crosswurd · 11/08/2026 06:30

Surely a fundamental change should mean mayors need re-electing so they can lay out how they would manage this and the experience they have so voters can make an informed decision? Still yet to see how number 10 North makes a difference when most of them travel up from London. Most of the South doesnt reflect London or feel an affinity to/that Westminster represents them, so I dont buy this spreading of power being much more than a waste of money.

Mespher · 11/08/2026 06:29

What happens if you haven't got a mayor

NorthXNorthWest · 11/08/2026 06:25

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 08:42

It has been in Manchester, Teeside and Birmingham.

Manchester is not the rags to riches story people think it is.

Boomer55 · 10/08/2026 10:59

Living in London, I’d say areas are better off without mayors. 🙄

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 18:40

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 18:24

And yet on the ground the tangle between the County - which had the statutory powers - and the CPCA means absolutely nothing happens. Parish councils have managed to block greenways, the County is incapable of getting anything done and the buck is constantly passed between CCC and CPCA. Just look at how Grantchester managed to put the kybosh on the proposed greenway. Bus franchising has been kicked into the long grass.

Grantchester lost its High Court challenge to the greenway.

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 18:24

And yet on the ground the tangle between the County - which had the statutory powers - and the CPCA means absolutely nothing happens. Parish councils have managed to block greenways, the County is incapable of getting anything done and the buck is constantly passed between CCC and CPCA. Just look at how Grantchester managed to put the kybosh on the proposed greenway. Bus franchising has been kicked into the long grass.

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 18:16

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 16:53

Parish, district, county, mayor and Combined Authority.

The combined authority isn’t another layer. It’s led by the mayor and is a joint enterprise of district and county councillors to facilitate joint working. Cambridge doesn’t have parish councils nor does Peterborough. Nice try though.

Pearlstillsinging · 08/08/2026 16:59

fairyring25 · 08/08/2026 07:34

The question is whether we can trust local councils to spend larger amounts of money wisely and whether we can trust locally elected mayors to do their job properly and not misuse their power.
Often local councillors have less financial and management expertise than central government so will they manage the money properly?
Some local councils have gone bankrupt.

The Metro Mayors that AB is talking about are not councillors. They are the layer above and control the purse strings for various projects, like the buses in GM. He is talking about giving Metro Mayors more autonomy so that they can react more quickly/ accurately to local need.

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 16:53

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 09:08

I live in Cambridgeshire too. What are those five layers? Cambridge has the city council and the county council and has had for decades, there’s no gridlock as the two work together very well. Only the mayor is new. Peterborough currently has a Labour MP. The Cambridge Labour MP has held the seat since 2015. Reform made some wins out in the fens in the local elections in May but not enough to control any of the district councils.

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Parish, district, county, mayor and Combined Authority.

BIossomtoes · 08/08/2026 09:08

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 08:44

And in Cambridge we now have about 5 layers of local government and absolute political and literal gridlock. It’s not been a positive here - we’ve got two very distinct areas with Peterborough and the Fens tending Reform, with Cambridge very much left of centre.

I live in Cambridgeshire too. What are those five layers? Cambridge has the city council and the county council and has had for decades, there’s no gridlock as the two work together very well. Only the mayor is new. Peterborough currently has a Labour MP. The Cambridge Labour MP has held the seat since 2015. Reform made some wins out in the fens in the local elections in May but not enough to control any of the district councils.

LlynTegid · 08/08/2026 08:59

The UK is far too centralised. I might have different details, but agree with the sentiment.

DeafLeppard · 08/08/2026 08:44

And in Cambridge we now have about 5 layers of local government and absolute political and literal gridlock. It’s not been a positive here - we’ve got two very distinct areas with Peterborough and the Fens tending Reform, with Cambridge very much left of centre.