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Term Time Holidays

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dwordle · 02/08/2026 09:42

I have to be honest I take my children on term time holidays. Largely to avoid the crowds but it's also about the cost and the temperatures.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/02/children-summer-holidays-term-time-civil-disobedience-parents-england-wales
In the summer we spend in Devon where we leave the caravan for 5 weeks on a nice inland site. The children spend there entire summer down there and I travel down for long weekends etc.

But the holiday abroad I take in school time. I have been fined numerous times and taken to court by the LEA, but I'll be honest I've not paid a penny. My opinion is they are my children and I take responsibility for them. They worked hard at school and all 4 got good grades. Had they been struggling I think I'd of taken a different approach but I'm a great believer in adapting to challenges rather than one approach.

Thankfully my youngest is just starting GCSES so I won't be taking the term time breaks and I won't face another day in court. But going to court and being threatened with a custodial sentence is to put it bluntly ridiculous for something that is my right as a parent. My child my decision no one else's. I decide whether my children are well enough to go to school and I decide when we go on holiday.

There are parents out there who's kids are badly behaved, don't do any homework, disruptive and miss weeks and weeks in absence....yet take a holiday and tell them you're going on holiday I have to pay a fine. Don't pay the fine and a powerless court will threaten you with all manner of things which they are powerless to enforce. I mean what a waste of money.

I agree it's frustrating trying to deliver a curriculum and then a child goes missing for a week or two , but truth is the homework is delivered electronically so it can be done anywhere. As a parent I make sure it's all done....that's my job as a parent.

For many parents and August holiday is so expensive that it may mean they actually don't get a holiday. The last time we took a week break to Cyprus in August it was close to 6000 pounds.

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IonianNerveGrip · 04/08/2026 18:15

SadiraOfTyr · 04/08/2026 17:53

Quite. I think this is a very English problem.

Yes. Even our close neighbours Scotland and NI manage to run education systems without engaging in this stupidity. Weird that.

SadiraOfTyr · 04/08/2026 17:53

Natsku · 03/08/2026 09:45

That's how it works in Finland, holidays are allowed at headteacher's discretion but students are expected to keep up with their studies themselves. If they fail because they didn't do the work they missed then they are the ones that bear the consequences (repeating the year), not the teacher, so no extra burden on the teacher.

Quite. I think this is a very English problem.

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 21:31

All of DC’s grandparents are English, as is her dad. There’s nothing fanatical about the decision to use Welsh medium education.

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 21:29

dwordle · 03/08/2026 20:05

I'm not English or even British, Im Irish. As for Wales I lived in North Wales for 4 years in a place called Llanrug. Welsh was a lot more common there than it was in the south.

But you absolutely right learning more than one language is a lot better than being stuck with one and to be honest I'm glad my children speak French and German.

I've not really against Welsh but I do find some people are rather fantatical about it. It's the same with me and gaeilge it's heritage but I rarely use it

But you also assumed that a school where the children are educated in a language other than their own was due to migration and started ranting about religious holidays………

dwordle · 03/08/2026 20:05

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 17:18

You do you, boo. It’s absolutely thriving over here despite English attempts to destroy it. Must be incredibly annoying for you.

It’s not just the benefit of learning Welsh either. Being bilingual early makes the learning of other languages easier later on too. My teenager has been learning Japanese and Greek for fun and I anticipate will be fluent in at least 5 languages by the time she is 21. Imagine the benefits that could give her traversing the planet and being able to understand other cultures. I would suspect she’ll never have to resort to racist diatribes on internet fora in an attempt to make her point for a start……..

(You’d probably gain more respect if you didn’t think “UK” and “England” were the same thing though, not least because you might not post such ignorant statements as to be caught out.)

I'm not English or even British, Im Irish. As for Wales I lived in North Wales for 4 years in a place called Llanrug. Welsh was a lot more common there than it was in the south.

But you absolutely right learning more than one language is a lot better than being stuck with one and to be honest I'm glad my children speak French and German.

I've not really against Welsh but I do find some people are rather fantatical about it. It's the same with me and gaeilge it's heritage but I rarely use it

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Sirzy · 03/08/2026 19:18

Fredhat · 03/08/2026 17:06

It’s ridiculous. As for the T&Cs in schools - people don’t really have a choice do they?! The issues around attendance and outcomes are more about the cause behind them. Data shows children who take holidays in term time do better (I’m not suggesting people do that to increase scores, as that would be as batshit as the current rationale around attendance). If parents or teachers want to take a term time holiday, it’s not Armageddon. I also don’t think the world will fall down if children or teachers are allowed (in practice) to be off when ill either, rather than causing many others to be ill (ironically illness is a factor that does impact performance). As for the attendance crisis, teacher absence has increased at the same proportion as children - this is not a surprise as covid is now in the mix along with everything else!

I would love to see that data? It certainly doesn’t fit with what we notice in our school so it would make an interesting read!

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 17:18

dwordle · 03/08/2026 15:31

Yeah that's Wales, much as I love the idea of clinging on to cultural heritage I think I'd prefer to be taught Chinese than Welsh. I say that because Gaelic was taught in Ireland but everyone spoke English.

You do you, boo. It’s absolutely thriving over here despite English attempts to destroy it. Must be incredibly annoying for you.

It’s not just the benefit of learning Welsh either. Being bilingual early makes the learning of other languages easier later on too. My teenager has been learning Japanese and Greek for fun and I anticipate will be fluent in at least 5 languages by the time she is 21. Imagine the benefits that could give her traversing the planet and being able to understand other cultures. I would suspect she’ll never have to resort to racist diatribes on internet fora in an attempt to make her point for a start……..

(You’d probably gain more respect if you didn’t think “UK” and “England” were the same thing though, not least because you might not post such ignorant statements as to be caught out.)

Fredhat · 03/08/2026 17:06

It’s ridiculous. As for the T&Cs in schools - people don’t really have a choice do they?! The issues around attendance and outcomes are more about the cause behind them. Data shows children who take holidays in term time do better (I’m not suggesting people do that to increase scores, as that would be as batshit as the current rationale around attendance). If parents or teachers want to take a term time holiday, it’s not Armageddon. I also don’t think the world will fall down if children or teachers are allowed (in practice) to be off when ill either, rather than causing many others to be ill (ironically illness is a factor that does impact performance). As for the attendance crisis, teacher absence has increased at the same proportion as children - this is not a surprise as covid is now in the mix along with everything else!

Boomer55 · 03/08/2026 16:33

Cravingquiet · 02/08/2026 18:47

She hasn't. She has been to court where they likely gave her a hefty fine. She has now ignored the fine issued at the court. They will now use various debt collection methods to attempt to collect the fine and may consider a custodial sentence given her wilful refusal.

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Yes. Her credit score will be shot before long. Hope it was worth it. 🙄

dwordle · 03/08/2026 15:31

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 14:20

We’re in Wales. She attends a Welsh medium school……..

Yeah that's Wales, much as I love the idea of clinging on to cultural heritage I think I'd prefer to be taught Chinese than Welsh. I say that because Gaelic was taught in Ireland but everyone spoke English.

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dwordle · 03/08/2026 15:27

SorrellNightwind · 03/08/2026 14:29

As I said I tow my van to a regular site and I leave them all down there for the entire summer. They love it but for me it's an extra job to be with them at the weekends. 600 mile round trip after working 14 hour days. Occasionally I book a Monday off for a long weekend but by the end of the summer I need a holiday myself.

So you leave them down by themselves? There's nowhere closer you could send them?

No the wife gets to enjoy the summer....I get to work it to pay for it all.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 03/08/2026 15:27

AI is inevitable but immigrants struggling with language isn’t.

Machines over people.

And BTW if you would learn French before you moved, you are an outlier. I did move country as a child and none of the Brits learned the language before they went. Some didn’t learn while they were there!

Kids learn incredibly quickly. I was pretty much fluent in six months and indiscernible in a year or two.

Imdunfer · 03/08/2026 14:43

Ironfloor269 · 03/08/2026 10:39

I’m a secondary school teacher and if a student falls behind on a subject, it’s entirely their problem, not mine. Why should be? 🤔

😳😳😳

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 14:40

It's the same for some religious groups getting time off for events...why is ok for a Muslim to take a week off to visit a religious site and not a family for wanting a much needed holiday. Screams of councils scared to challenge religious taboos

Bank holidays are predominantly linked to the Christian calendar. If you don’t celebrate Christian festivals then you are at an obvious disadvantage as a result.

SorrellNightwind · 03/08/2026 14:29

dwordle · 02/08/2026 17:56

Theme the holiday around a subject ....if they are learning French...take them camping in France get them ordering the bread or buying a train ticket for something. It's not all about money it's about the weather, how busy it is. But please remember some parents are struggling to go on holiday and if a term time deal means the kids get a holiday id say that's more important than a month at school.

The summer holidays are great but as a working person I struggle finding the time to do things I'd like to do with them. As I said I tow my van to a regular site and I leave them all down there for the entire summer. They love it but for me it's an extra job to be with them at the weekends. 600 mile round trip after working 14 hour days. Occasionally I book a Monday off for a long weekend but by the end of the summer I need a holiday myself.

As for the fines, they charge you 160 quid per child and parent and then after three fines they take you to court. The court does nothing apart from a few harsh words and increases the fine and then I don't hear from the again. It's a pointless exercise.

As I said I tow my van to a regular site and I leave them all down there for the entire summer. They love it but for me it's an extra job to be with them at the weekends. 600 mile round trip after working 14 hour days. Occasionally I book a Monday off for a long weekend but by the end of the summer I need a holiday myself.

So you leave them down by themselves? There's nowhere closer you could send them?

SorrellNightwind · 03/08/2026 14:22

Why are you posting?

  1. you dont care
  2. your dc are aging out of school terms?
BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 14:22

Do you need a flannel to get that egg off your face?

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 14:20

dwordle · 03/08/2026 13:19

People shouldn't be living in the UK if they don't speak English. It should be a prerequisite for any settled status.

Can't understand why our education system has to fund non English speaking people. I wouldn't move to France unless I spoke French, so I wanted to make that move I'd be paying for French lessons.

It's the same for some religious groups getting time off for events...why is ok for a Muslim to take a week off to visit a religious site and not a family for wanting a much needed holiday. Screams of councils scared to challenge religious taboos

We’re in Wales. She attends a Welsh medium school……..

Sirzy · 03/08/2026 13:26

Your last post speaks volumes about you and your attitudes!

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2026 13:24

People shouldn't be living in the UK if they don't speak English.

Good thing Spain doesn’t apply that to British retirees. No country in the world does in fact.

dwordle · 03/08/2026 13:19

BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 12:57

My daughter is educated in a different language. Around 80% of parents of the children at her school don’t speak the language fluently/at all. You’d be surprised how little resource there is for that (a totally normal situation in this part of the UK but too small a population for anyone to do much in terms of producing it).

People shouldn't be living in the UK if they don't speak English. It should be a prerequisite for any settled status.

Can't understand why our education system has to fund non English speaking people. I wouldn't move to France unless I spoke French, so I wanted to make that move I'd be paying for French lessons.

It's the same for some religious groups getting time off for events...why is ok for a Muslim to take a week off to visit a religious site and not a family for wanting a much needed holiday. Screams of councils scared to challenge religious taboos

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BirthdayTrash · 03/08/2026 12:57

dwordle · 03/08/2026 08:39

Exactly and if you time it correctly and pick the last two weeks of term you will be missing very little.

I think we place too much responsibility on teachers these days on achievement. If a child is off sick etc then the parents have a duty to find the time to make sure an effort has been made to cover what has been missed.

It's not like there's no material out there for us to help ....BBC bitesize, YouTube teaching channels....there's tonnes of material to help parents understand things that we have either forgotten or never understood ourselves.

The state should only step in if a child is repeatedly absent and it's affecting their education. It should not be about maintaining attendance targets.

Obviously it would be foolish to miss classes on the run up to GCSEs but between the ages of 5 and 13 are the golden years of childhood.

My daughter is educated in a different language. Around 80% of parents of the children at her school don’t speak the language fluently/at all. You’d be surprised how little resource there is for that (a totally normal situation in this part of the UK but too small a population for anyone to do much in terms of producing it).

Gengha · 03/08/2026 12:23

I’ve never taken mine out, and they’ve both left school now. Oh I tell a lie I took the youngest out of last day of summer term 2025 where hardly anyone goes in and they do no work anyway.

I’m in Scotland where I appreciate we have a couple of weeks before English schools close, but we tended to holiday either in the UK or taking car to France rather than flying somewhere. I don’t think we have fines either.

I’ve not got particularly strong opinions on other parents taking kids out, but when I was a kid I was taken out of school a few times. My dad drove a delivery van for a food supplier and they had to take set holidays. They were often in term time. So the choice was either no holiday or term time. I must admit as a child I didn’t like it, no one else ever did it and I always felt I stood out. I did leave school with 5As in my highers so never impacted me, but I disliked it, and wouldn’t have done it to my own kids.

Growlybear83 · 03/08/2026 12:16

You migjt be in for a nasty surprise at some point, OP. A parent at one of the schools I work for had exactly the same totally unreasonable attitude as you and she refused to pay the fines for repeatedly taking her children out of school for unnecessary term time holidays. She ended up with a short custodial sentence. The local authority where I work is also looking at the possibility of applying for charges on the property of persistent offenders who refuse to pay fines.

mondaytosunday · 03/08/2026 12:09

My kids went to private school. It’s not true that you are allowed to just take them out willy nilly. I had to request a day off as I went abroad to visit family and to return to school the day if the new term I would have had to leave Easter Sunday, a big holiday for my family. It was reluctantly approved. First and last time I requested to have them miss a day.
I would not take my children out of school. My son was not disciplined enough to make up the lost work and my daughter would not want to miss the lessons.
But as long as you are not expecting the teacher to give you make up work or work to do while away and your children can catch up quickly themselves then do whatever you want. I think the policy is to try and discourage frequent skivers rather than people like you, but it has to be a blanket fine.

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