Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

If the man is a loner he probably isn’t prolific on social media, his family are not necessarily going to share a photo with the media, so the photo we are seeing is probably the only one the press have

And it is human nature surely to think of reasons why someone would commit such a crime. And the reporting of this has been slightly strange. The news first came out she died, no mention of murder. I saw the news she had died then went into a meeting. Came out of the meeting and the news had changed to murder.

The bungalow is a dormer bungalow so must have stairs, so falling downstairs was a possibility. Initial reports said they didn’t no cause of death (you would think 21 hammer blows would make it obvious not a fall etc)

It does seem so improbable that someone would drive that far to kill AW and drive back again. Not saying it didn’t happen

I also find it strange how much detail is now allowed to the public. How many of us if called up to be on the jury could say we know nothing about the case or currently say we don’t think he is guilty

The stuff I've seen on Facebook says this. It also variously blames Keir Starmer, Nigel Farage, Andy Burnham, says she knew too much, the guy is a "patsy", drags up David Kelly, Jill Dando, suggests Rik Mayall was bumped off, repeatedly says it's fishy, asks why are we not being told the truth, it's the deep state, they must think we're all stupid, asks when can we see the video (which is AI) and says the police are complete liars. I really didn't realise how weird people are.

Oh and she's not dead at all she's in hiding.

It's like the guy who drove into the crowd in Liverpool - he must have PTSD; It's a different guy in the AI photo; he must have panicked; he's a scapegoat; he looks like a decent family man.
Then it turned out, he was a nutter who hadn't served in active duty; did not have PTSD; the photo was an AI image from grainy CCTV; he had already driven erratically and dangerously before getting to the city centre; he's not a scapegoat; and the new images showed someone who looked pretty scary.

It's no coincidence that the only photo of this guy so far is a nice photo of him from four years ago, doing a charity event.
The media know what they're doing to generate comments and clicks.

I’ve read not posted on these threads but bloody hell. The first ones were full of maybe she fell down the stairs in her bungalow, then it must’ve been a burglary gone wrong, now it’s it can’t possibly be this guy because he lived in Rotherham.

If you were to set off now from Rotherham you’d get to Haytor at 12 and I put in Gloucester and it’s two and a half hours from Rotherham which sounds about right so give it a rest.

The older I get the more I respect female politicians regardless of their political viewpoints as it must be so difficult to get anywhere in that system. Also women having strong opinions and being in the public eye is unusual too. Ann was a unique woman and her murder has really upset me.

Well a) barely anyone gets pulled over and b) criminally minded nutcases dont tend to think about the consequences like that

He sounds bonkers.

This is where my mind goes, and it’s just too sad. Just horrible. No words really.

What nonsense you speak. He did it in four hours and 40 mins which is very feasible, there is no consipiracy here, remove the tin foil hat.

Evidence: on the one hand: CCTV, DNA, murder weapon, Google maps estimated drive time, etc etc.
On the other hand: person who can't do the drive in the required time.
Conclusion: person must be a shit driver.

Honestly you are just making yourself look so foolish. Why do you think you can convince people you're right with all the evidence pointing to the police overwhelmingly having the right man? We don't even know you! You could be anyone with any agenda! Indeed you probably are. Why on earth do you think anyone thinks you're worth taking seriously? Just bloody stop it.

It may have taken them some time to access the footage.

And I suppose in the case of a violent murder, you want to arrest the perpetrator asap - and it’s possible to make an error in doing that urgently.

If the horrific murder of Ann was captured on her internal security camera, why was the first suspect arrested?

She wasn't pretty enough! Men definitely think with their lower 'Brain!'
She definitely deserved a peerage in my eyes! So terribly sad 🥀

I guess she had views about umpteen things. If I knew them all I think I'd agree with her on many of them. She used to go on about the need for the government to help Afghans who'd helped us and were still in Afghanistan, in danger. I'd agree with her on that, for a start.

That's been my hope. Sorry, I'm a bit late.

This. Really upsetting. RIP Ann.

agreed
Wouldn't wish this on anyone, let alone someone more vulnerable. Its shocking
I am not going to speculate about motive but atm it just all seems so very odd. I do hope they are able to get to the bottom of it all

m5 around Bristol/Somerset junctions has been pretty horrendous lately, it feels like massive hold ups are on a daily basis. No motorway past Exeter.

She didn't live in Bodmin. She lived in Haytor. Gloucester to Haytor is almost all motorway.

And she was killed at 12.30, not 12.20.

It is a 4.5 hour drive. Perfectly possible if you set off by 8am.

I am really hoping that although she will have had a few seconds of terror, the first blow knocked her unconscious and she wasn't aware of anything more.

I feel the same - and I know lots of people are saying "I didn't agree with her views but..." I can see why they say that (I didn't either), because it's important to be able to care about someone and have compassion even if they had different views, and to model that and point it out. So many people don't seem to think that way and think if you're not left-wing or woke you're evil and who cares if you die.

I can't bear to think of her in her old age being horrifically attacked in her own home like that. She was happy there, she was living her best life in her community, she had a cat, she should have been safe. It's just so wrong and awful. And of course yet more male VAWG. And like you say, feels so unbelievable that it's happened.

Lots of factors affect this, tho -
Speed of driving.
School hols always means roads are quiter.
Specifically where in Rotherham he/you left from could easily add a significant amount of time.

I think it's pretty clear that there's evidence placing him at both houses, and along the route

I can’t get it out of my mind, it’s really upset me, god knows how the people who actually knew and loved her feel, they must be utterly traumatised.

Agree completely. I’d be horrified about this whoever the victim was.

Poor Ann didn’t deserve this. No one does.

The whole thing is so bizarre but horrifying at the same time.

I don’t actually care about her views. I care only about a tiny vulnerable old lady the same age as my mum having her lunch in her home, her safe haven and space which should have been sacrosanct and the terror and pain of her final moments. I have just felt crushed since hearing the brutality of what happened to her. I just can’t believe that her life was snuffed out like this in such a sickening act of brutality.