Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

Milkshakes, eggs and tomatoes. I'm sure Charlie Windsor had tomatoes chucked at him and so did Jack Straw.

I'm not saying they didn't. I can't remember why John Prescott threw a punch - was that an egg or was he pushed by a heckler?

It may have been updated as it's saying now that it was Farage's home not AW's.

Interesting that they have announced it.

It is a high bar and quite specific. I would think the clear evidence of premeditation would be likely to stand against him there.

I think what they meant to say was that if it does proceed to trial it’ll be on a defence of not guilty by way of insanity. A high bar to reach.

At the moment nobody knows what will happen. We don’t know the evidence against him. But for reform to tweet like this, they’re risking a jury trial! It’s nonsensical

This.

We know what evidence the police said they have. We do not know the quality of that evidence, nor do we know the defence case. It may be that the CCTV shows the attack but doesn't include a clear shot of the attacker's face. It may be that there is an innocent explanation for Kerry being in possession of the items the police found. And so on.

The press are entitled to report what the prosecution said in court. It would be surprising if Kerry didn't look guilty at this stage. But, like any other defendant, he is entitled to the presumption of innocence.

In all of those cases though it was obvious who the culprit was and there was not doubt over that. The doubt was about the causes of the attacks/incidents. Some posters on here are rejecting clear evidence that this person committed the attack, despite the police disclosing their evidence in court and saying he couldn't have driven from his place to the other when it was obvious he could. The motivations may be in dispute but why would you be so adamant that a person who was found with the murder weapon in their house couldn't have done it?

It was the evidence they needed to present to the judge to get him remanded in custody though. I presume it was something to do with the terrorism offences that they needed to show they had a lot of evidence that needed to be investigated.

This is why I am surprised this evidence has been released. Guilty before going to court.

I agree to some extent with that. When posters demand “Let the police do their job” and “You will know after the court case” they always seem to be the type of posters who have an interest in shutting things down .

I was really attacked on the Wimbledon driver thread (although received many messages of support) by posters who clearly had an angle . Also on the Crocodile Incident thread there were those determined that there should be little discussion -nothing to see here; unfortunate but one of those things etc etc.

I fear that in real life the “Shut Up” people have a lot of sway. I saw that a whistleblower in the case of the Nottingham killer says he was told to pipe down about their lax attitude towards dangerous patients.

As much as I think some of the theories over AW are batshit, I do agree with to a large extent. Whenever there is a large group of people all working fervently to discredit one person and to shut them down or ban them it does make me extra curious to hear what it is they have to say. And then I'll make my own mind up whether they are talking nonsense or not.

I agree to some extent with that. When posters demand “Let the police do their job” and “You will know after the court case” they always seem to be the type of posters who have an interest in shutting things down .

I was really attacked on the Wimbledon driver thread (although received many messages of support) by posters who clearly had an angle . Also on the Crocodile Incident thread there were those determined that there should be little discussion -nothing to see here; unfortunate but one of those things etc etc.

I fear that in real life the “Shut Up” people have a lot of sway. I saw that a whistleblower in the case of the Nottingham killer says he was told to pipe down about their lax attitude towards dangerous patients.

I agree to some extent with that. When posters demand “Let the police do their job” and “You will know after the court case” they always seem to be the type of posters who have an interest in shutting things down .

I was really attacked on the Wimbledon driver thread (although received many messages of support) by posters who clearly had an angle . Also on the Crocodile Incident thread there were those determined that there should be little discussion -nothing to see here; unfortunate but one of those things etc etc.

I fear that in real life the “Shut Up” people have a lot of sway. I saw that a whistleblower in the case of the Nottingham killer says he was told to pipe down about their lax attitude towards dangerous patients.