Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

It doesn't help with the whipped up hysteria around certain MPs like Farage. You only have to look on here to see he's mentioned every day

Discussing Farage is "hysteria"? Of course he is mentioned on here every day on political threads, along with Badenoch and Burnham.

I find it very concerning that posters on MN seem almost to be hoping for unrest in the UK. I think they will be disappointed.

I believe if Farage was killed, there would be jubilation but that's where we are at

The majority of people don't want political violence, so I think you are wrong in the main. There was no jubilation on MN when Ann Widdecombe was murdered, was there?

Yes, me too and It feels like it's been orchestrated. I feel for anybody living in or around London, if it's replicated here. I know Burnham has stressed he is taking seriously threats to our own MPs but how do you stop these lone nutters from going rogue? As with the discussion around special measures for murdering police officers, I think the same needs to happen with politicians. It doesn't help with the whipped up hysteria around certain MPs like Farage. You only have to look on here to see he's mentioned every day. There's a difference between holding politicians to account and losing it, irrationally. I believe if Farage was killed, there would be jubilation but that's where we are at.

I've always considered myself to be centre-left-wing if that makes any sense.

For many years I've held the belief that extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing are no different from one another.

My dad came from a country that suffered under fascists and then under people who called themselves communists. The communists at least provided free health care (to an extent) and universal education.

However, the brutality was there under both - though the communists made more of an effort to hide it - and in both cases, those at the top expended their efforts on staying at the top, building a personality cult and using that to control people.

I'm blethering on in this way to underline that I don't support Reform in any way and I think that Anne Widdecombe was misguided in allying herself with them - and I can't recall agreeing with her political views when she was a Conservative.

But - my God - she didn't deserve what happened to her and I find her death upsetting. Part of it is probably because I can relate to her, being an older woman living on my own now.

Those thugs calling themselves 'left-wing' and claiming to defend the weak are no bloody different from the blackshirts.

I don't know what we do about it and I'm hesitating even to post on here since I'm aware of how inarticulate I'm being.

I'll confess that I'm one of those who laughed when Farage had milkshake thrown over him. I was wrong.

I cannot stand the man - I really cannot. The problem is that the liquid could have been anything and if we justify doing that to Farage, we're justifying the ill treatment of and violence towards politicians in general.

I remember the furore when Prescott punched the arsehole who threw the egg at him. I recall watching the footage with my parents and my mum saying "When he felt the egg trickling down his face, he must have thought it was blood," and I'm convinced that she was right.

When Blair made his "Oh, it was just John..." comment, he was being a coward. Prescott had every right to defend himself from assault.

Right. I'm going to shut up now. I'm just very upset about what happened to Anne Widdecombe and now to the Australian lady.

Losing a leg and in danger of losing her other one. It's just so senseless but as you say, this irrational hatred is so deeply entrenched now. The riots in France are throwing more light on just how quickly political violence can take hold but I'm getting tired of it being claimed to be a far right issue, Eastern.

You mean Rosie Duffield?

Yes, undoubtedly because she has stood up for women's rights. For which the left and especially the extreme left dislike, even hate, her. She has been very badly treated by Labour, her own party.

You mean Rosie Duffield?

Yes, undoubtedly because she has stood up for women's rights. For which the left and especially the extreme left dislike, even hate, her. She has been very badly treated by Labour, her own party.

Rosie Cooper too, I think? Is that right?

Yes the case clearly identifies a political mindset.

Although Joshua Kerry had a list of targets which included Tom Tugendhat, Robert Jenrick, Lee Anderson and Richard Tice, none of whom are women.

The prosecution at the hearing on 9 October said that Kerry was motivated by an extreme left-wing mindset.

Although Joshua Kerry had a list of targets which included Tom Tugendhat, Robert Jenrick, Lee Anderson and Richard Tice, none of whom are women.

The prosecution at the hearing on 9 October said that Kerry was motivated by an extreme left-wing mindset.

Women of all political stripes suffer from threats and acts of violence by men. Look at the abuse they suffer online, the stalkers that have been convicted. And Jo Cox of course.

I am not sure it is political differences that drives it, just (some) men's hatred of women. Remember what Greer said.

We know there is violence on all sides. I'm not arguing the toss with you here. One person killed Ann, as far as we know and he was found to have hard left tendencies. Nobody else is remotely relevant in the savage murder of a woman, whose politics the murderer didn't like.

It's like that thing that you'd hear from seemingly right on guys from back in the 80s: "id never hit a woman but I'd make an exception for that b*tch Thatcher".

The intent being that the fact someone so resolutely Morally upstanding (you'd nowadays say Right Side of History) would deem this woman as unworthy of the normal protections afforded a woman being the point. That is how unspeakable she was.

I responded to the person who brought up the Reform conference incident. I know it might be too much to ask to concentrate on violence against women by the hard left.