Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

That's interesting. Probably nonsense but interesting.

I think you are probably right actually.

This was about your crass & graceless remarks!
How that reflects how poor Ann lost her life is beyond me!
Disgusting attitude from you!

I think it's a mistake to assume that conspiracy theorists or people making other outlandish claims fall into neat 'left' or 'right' wing boxes- I worked with a woman who believed most conspiracy theories, her views were all over the place politically and at best I would describe her as 'anti-establishment'. For e.g. one of her opinions was that Iran and Donald Trump were actually co-operating as part of the war with the deep state.

Her basic starting position was always that the state was lying to us, the reasons for that were often whatever fitted most neatly in her head.

I don't work with her now, but I could easily see that she would believe anything that suggested a fit-up or that the police had the wrong man.

You can't speed in traffic that's backed up, especially when you leave during that time of the morning with school runs and rush hour.

Fascinated that people think that a man who brutally murdered an elderly woman would have paid a blind bit of notice to speed cameras or speed limits. My travel app says it is 4 hr 30min journey right now, without speeding.

Agree with this. To be honest it hasn't been handled very well regarding communication from both police forces. So that left MSM get the "exclusive" headlines in, which was disturbing and distasteful.

"Karen" 🙄.

Agree

I think most of the speculation is driven by people trying to make sense of what is a horribly brutal and very bizarre occurrence with unfortunate Midsomer Murders overtones - peaceful village, deep in the countryside, well-known elderly lady living quietly, savagely murdered - I mean it is almost unbelievable. Why would someone drive down from Rotherham to Haytor, straight to AW’s house, within a very tight timeline, as though they were familiar with exactly where it was, launch a murderous attack, and leave for home after 2 minutes? No wonder speculation is rife. It’s human nature for people to want there to be an explanation, when awful things happen.

Oh right, you mean DM FACTS?
Nope!
Just gullible narrow-minded people! 🙄

Hahahaha... Have a look at something called 'Average Speed Cameras' especially enroute to Devon!! Although you probably only potter to the local shops in your teeny tiny car! 😂

This is the kind of thing an obsessive nut job would do. I read about an American woman who strapped on an adult nappy and drove nonstop for a million hours to go and confront a husband who was having an affair - she might have murdered him too. I don’t understand the all opinions are valid stance - they aren’t. You can tell me the earth is flat or the moon is made of cheese but I don’t have to take you seriously. If you can’t fathom that a person managed to do a journey in the amount of time predicted by Google then I don’t know what anyone can say to you anyway other than ‘you do you’.

Depressing. Poor Ann she doesn’t deserve this on top of the brutality.

From what I have seen from having had a delve online it is not the progressive left pushing the conspiracy angle. What is being hinted at is that Ann Widdecombe had discovered something the establishment had rather she didn't. Just batshit stuff.

There is a lot of "Words are literal violence" on the Left when it comes to people questioning them but funnily enough their words aren't "literal violence" when they want to behead women who have a different point of view, say people on the Right should be excluded from society, want to " globalise the Intifada" and hope elderly women were handcuffed screaming to their beds as they were bludgeoned to death. Then they don't "literally" mean it!

Yawn - "Driving with Miss Daisy".

But you are right it's not possible in that time if you are a particularly slow driver.

What happened there?!

Anyway, I think it’s a combination of some people thinking it’s too odd to be true ( well it is all odd - but the facts speak for themselves) and maybe enjoying sleuthing (analysing route etc) and those on the Left who didn’t like AW anyway and are disappointed it wasn’t a random burglar rather than some angry crazed anarchist or whatever he is.

It’s a bit of both, I t

Unless, as I suggested before, people on the 'progressive left' want us to think it's an inside Reform job in the vein of 'The American government blew up the twin towers themselves as justification to start a war. in the middle east.'

But then plenty of those types think the Trump assassination attempt was staged and he had an exploding bag of blood strapped to his ear which he managed to press the button on at the exact second a shot was fired, and then some innocent boy who was a trans ally agreed to wait on a roof then be shot dead by members of the Trump's security forces, to help out the Trump plan.

I mean, really.....

Exactly. If the police are prepared to go as far as fitting up and innocent man in such a high profile case then it would certainly not be beyond their abilities to tamper with the 'evidence' to make it fit. Are people really saying that the police are clever, cunning and corrupt enough to do that but too dim to get their ducks in a row on the most fundamental details? They are hardly going to take a case to court on the basis of a car journey that google maps says is virtually impossible in the timeline. And yet people keep insisting this is the case.

Also since it was revealed that the weapon was a hammer, I've seen lots of 'oh, so not a wooden stick/baton after all then?' As if those witness reports were outright lies. Is there really not a scenario in which they can imagine that a hammer, especially when held by the business end, could look very much like the 12 inch wooden pole or stick is was described as, from CCTV?? Are these people thick or just wilfully obtuse?

I don't understand what is driving this reluctance to believe the police have a credible suspect in custody, from activists on the further side of the right. I mean if it turns out Kerry held far left wing ideologies and we are told his motive was a hatred of Reform then that plays into the hands of the right quite nicely anyway, so why try to suggest it was someone/something else entirely?

I can see why people on the more 'progressive' side of the left might be highly motivated to steer people away from that idea though, and to suggest that some 'far right terrorist' did it.

But given the target was big in Reform and big on Brexit and big on traditional, conservative Christian values, that makes no sense at all.