Page 11 | Ann Widdecombe thread part 3

WonderfulSmith · 21/07/2026 22:11

where is the 8am thing coming from?

HelenaWilson · 21/07/2026 22:05

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying

What have the police actually said? What has been stated in court? As opposed to what has been published in newspapers or on social media?

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 21/07/2026 22:02

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:57

Well I suppose it clearly happened as they are saying except that the timeline could be incorrect.

Videos/ring doorbells/phone messages etc, are not always accurate

Sometimes I can send a message at 10 lets say, but for whatever reason it doesnt send or it does send but doesnt show as sending until a different time.

People put too much confidence in the tech to track things

He was seen, it must be him, its just the timings that are wrong.

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Exactly. The most logical explanation for any time difference is that the time stamp on the ring doorbell was on BST or was wrong. If there is footage of the murder and his car was seen in both of the places then how could he not have done the journey in the time?

Brightlittlecanary · 21/07/2026 22:02

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:57

Well I suppose it clearly happened as they are saying except that the timeline could be incorrect.

Videos/ring doorbells/phone messages etc, are not always accurate

Sometimes I can send a message at 10 lets say, but for whatever reason it doesnt send or it does send but doesnt show as sending until a different time.

People put too much confidence in the tech to track things

He was seen, it must be him, its just the timings that are wrong.

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I suspect it’s right, he left at 7,51 and pulled up at her house at 12.30 ish, according to google maps that’s wholly doable, likely hit no traffic and was speeding in parts.

there is always someone who thinks everything is a conspiracy sigh,

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 21/07/2026 22:02

NoDrums · 21/07/2026 15:15

Same. It’s beyond horrific. So brave, a 28 year old able bodied male, attacking a 78 year old female (apparently whilst having lunch), and hitting her on the head repeatedly with a hammer, all in the name of ideology.

The absolute BEST of the be kind brigade, who think they are righteous absolutists and that therefore violence is justified against anyone who thinks otherwise, because those others are bad people. They have to be bad right, because the righteous are good. Unbelievable, the state of this nation.

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Absolutely agree with you 100%

Gengha · 21/07/2026 22:00

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:54

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying - the time line does not add up as anyone who has tried to get to her area in the time frame would ascertain. It is a physical impossibility. However RIP Ann you were a trooper 😭

Nothing?

So not his car outside his house
his car outside her house
footage of him attacking her with a hammer and wearing black gloves
footage of him taking her wallet and bank cards
his car being back outside his house
a hammer and black gloves with Ann’s DNA being found in his bin at his home in Rotherham

and this is what has been made public so far. There will be more.

Solely on the basis it took you 3.5 hours to drive to Rotherham from a different place.

Let’s hope you’re not on the jury

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:57

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:54

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying - the time line does not add up as anyone who has tried to get to her area in the time frame would ascertain. It is a physical impossibility. However RIP Ann you were a trooper 😭

Well I suppose it clearly happened as they are saying except that the timeline could be incorrect.

Videos/ring doorbells/phone messages etc, are not always accurate

Sometimes I can send a message at 10 lets say, but for whatever reason it doesnt send or it does send but doesnt show as sending until a different time.

People put too much confidence in the tech to track things

He was seen, it must be him, its just the timings that are wrong.

Brightlittlecanary · 21/07/2026 21:56

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:54

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying - the time line does not add up as anyone who has tried to get to her area in the time frame would ascertain. It is a physical impossibility. However RIP Ann you were a trooper 😭

And that’s fine I think , gently, they don’t care about your opinion.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 21/07/2026 21:56

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:54

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying - the time line does not add up as anyone who has tried to get to her area in the time frame would ascertain. It is a physical impossibility. However RIP Ann you were a trooper 😭

You think the police are lying about the cctv footage of her being killed?

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:54

Nothing will persuade me it happened as the police are saying - the time line does not add up as anyone who has tried to get to her area in the time frame would ascertain. It is a physical impossibility. However RIP Ann you were a trooper 😭

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 21/07/2026 21:50

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:36

Ok 3.5 hours from Rotherham in rush hour getting past Birmingham then 2 hours from here getting through Bristol is 5.5 hours with no delay it’s impossible you cdnt drive 50 miles an hour let alone 100 miles a hour. Something about this doesn’t add up 5.5 hours minimum in a car that hadn’t been driven for a year dream on it didn’t happen

Considering he and his car have been pictured outside her house and him and the same car have been pictured in Rotherham, what are you saying? That someone has murdered a 78 year old former politician and the police have faked all the CCTV footage to set up a random bloke who lives absolutely miles away, rather than setting up the gardener or any other random loser around the Devon area? Why? So Farage gets security ( that someone has already paid for)?

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:45

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:43

Well that assumes the door bell is showing the right time, is it on BST?

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Quite. I expect the police will be working to ascertain exactly that.

Brightlittlecanary · 21/07/2026 21:44

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:36

Ok 3.5 hours from Rotherham in rush hour getting past Birmingham then 2 hours from here getting through Bristol is 5.5 hours with no delay it’s impossible you cdnt drive 50 miles an hour let alone 100 miles a hour. Something about this doesn’t add up 5.5 hours minimum in a car that hadn’t been driven for a year dream on it didn’t happen

Oh for goodness sake, they have the footage of him actually murdering her. His car in the driveway. They will have footage of it all the way down there on various cameras. They aren’t idiots.

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:43

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:41

I think the neighbours ring doorbell showed him going to his car around 7.50.

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Well that assumes the door bell is showing the right time, is it on BST?

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:41

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:40

He must have left earlier, he must have been caught on the motorway cameras at around 8. He cant have left at 8

I think the neighbours ring doorbell showed him going to his car around 7.50.

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:41

Additup · 21/07/2026 21:38

Bearing in mine there is actual footage of him parking up outside AWs house, going inside and murdering her and stealing her purse I think his driving time from Rotherham to Haytor is immaterial.

Not to mention the gloves and hammer with her DNA on it which were found in his bin - in Rotherham.

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:40

He must have left earlier, he must have been caught on the motorway cameras at around 8. He cant have left at 8

BEAchDays2 · 21/07/2026 21:40

I didn’t realise the police had said he left at 8am

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:39

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:36

Ok 3.5 hours from Rotherham in rush hour getting past Birmingham then 2 hours from here getting through Bristol is 5.5 hours with no delay it’s impossible you cdnt drive 50 miles an hour let alone 100 miles a hour. Something about this doesn’t add up 5.5 hours minimum in a car that hadn’t been driven for a year dream on it didn’t happen

I think we’ll leave it to the police, shall we? You saying it’s “impossible” means absolutely bugger all and is most certainly not evidence.

Additup · 21/07/2026 21:38

Bearing in mine there is actual footage of him parking up outside AWs house, going inside and murdering her and stealing her purse I think his driving time from Rotherham to Haytor is immaterial.

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:36

Ok 3.5 hours from Rotherham in rush hour getting past Birmingham then 2 hours from here getting through Bristol is 5.5 hours with no delay it’s impossible you cdnt drive 50 miles an hour let alone 100 miles a hour. Something about this doesn’t add up 5.5 hours minimum in a car that hadn’t been driven for a year dream on it didn’t happen

Gengha · 21/07/2026 21:33

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:29

I live in Glos Rotherham is 3.5 hours from here Bodmin is 3 hours from here 8 hours on a decent run which it never is. It is impossible to get from Rotherham to Bodmin kill someone on a time line of 8 am departure arrival and murder 12.20

But AW didn’t live in Bodmin. Bodmin is in Cornwall, 60 miles away. Her home was in Haytor, Devon

likelysuspect · 21/07/2026 21:33

Well Google right now says 4 hours 33 mins

And its never the time it says on Google you can add another hour on at least

It does seem incredibly tight

Bear in mind if he left at 8, thats peak rush hour on a weekday.

Very strange, as like others say, he will have been caught on various motorway cameras, so it clearly him. Perhaps he drove about 100mph

Parsley4321 · 21/07/2026 21:29

I live in Glos Rotherham is 3.5 hours from here Bodmin is 3 hours from here 8 hours on a decent run which it never is. It is impossible to get from Rotherham to Bodmin kill someone on a time line of 8 am departure arrival and murder 12.20

BEAchDays2 · 21/07/2026 21:25

@Parsley4321Why couldn’t it happen?