Change law to kick out Rochdale rapist, No 10 urged

I'm really unimpressed by Lucy Powell, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. Her response when asked about the grooming gangs was: “Oh we want to blow that little trumpet now, do we? Let’s get that dog whistle out shall we?”

She apologised later, but as the saying goes: when people show you who they are, believe them. I was hoping she'd be sacked or demoted, but she seems to be in the ascendency in the new government, which is concerning.

I really hope Mahmood and the new government understand the harm all this appeasement is doing. I hope they get how angry people are and if they carry on in the same vein they will hand this country over to the far right, which I assume is something they don't want.

They need to ditch this current attempt to cover up the stats about nationality and crime. They shows certain nationalities commit more crime, some to a much greater extent. If that's what it shows, so be it. Let's deal with the reality. Pretending these crimes aren't happening or minimising them, just makes things so much worse. It makes people lose faith in the system, which is the main ingredient for civil war.

We more or less agree @strawberrybubblegum .

The only difference (for me) is our, as in British, responsibility.

While I don't think our culture is entirely responsible for him, it is partly responsible for eat has gone on.

When he came here our newspapers ran daily photos of topless girls. That only stopped in 2005. Rape in marriage became illegal in 1991. Police services are, at the very least, sexist. The legal system? It is shockingly hard to get convictions for sexual assault. I mean, we talk about Sharia law requiring 5 male witnesses? Well I posit that our system is not much better, it just wears different clothes.

That man knew that he would/could get away with what he was doing as long as he chose carefully.

He knew that his word, as a man, and as a Pakistani, would be taken over theirs - young and poor.

Considering the sheer volume of sexual abuse that happens in Pakistan it does look like the Pakistani government are saying he was ' spoiled' by having access to young girls. They are correct in that our authorities put them above the law, turning a blind eye and enabling these people on the grounds of their ' culture' when what they should have done is tell them in no uncertain terms that they didn't give a fuck about their culture and that they were not allowed to pass teenage girls around. There were social workers who stood witness at ' weddings', people in authority who forced raped girls to hand their babies over to their abusers and the various politicians who not only turned a blind eye but actively covered it up.

Don't they come out with some absolute BS to excuse their own culture.

Edited again!!

Our culture and institutions should be held responsible for failing to act to protect those girls, certainly. We must act to change that culture - it is an act of national self-harm that our institutions and government have resisted that so hard.

But pp (and the Pakistani gov) seem to be claiming that it is our culture which corrupted the rapists.

The Pakistani government have said the men were 'raised, groomed and unfortunately spoiled' in the UK - implying that their actions were caused by our culture and so they are morally our responsibility.

PP seem to suggest that this minimises the men's personal responsibility. Complete DARVO.

But as far as cultural influence goes, it being almost entirely Pakistan-origin men shows that any cultural corruption is from their heritage-culture, not UK culture. So that argument fails completely.

Those men are not our responsibility - they are not our citizens, and their moral corruption did not come from British culture.

@strawberrybubblegum - I do think our culture is to blame somewhat actually.

The institutions (police, social services, schools etc) responsible for these vulnerable girls classed them, young as they were, as protagonists.

They did not investigate or challenge the men who were committing the crimes, did not even see the behaviour as crime, and dismissed the girls along with the few people who were trying to help them.

So yes - our culture is also to blame. We ignore that at our peril.

I do not deny that these specimens (grooming gangs) racially profiled their victims. Afterall, their victims have claimed it to be true and there is no reason to disbelieve such well spoken and reasoned women. It also seems fairly self evident.

Nail on the head. Too many people in the UK (including MPs - who are elected and paid to represent us) primarily identify with other countries, and act in their interests, not ours.

Ah, so their fight is in Pakistan's interest. Yeah right.

Aww thanks. Will have a read x

Here's a gift link

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/47c85ff1f2a04191

Yes and it's quite clear why they are targeting her. How dare they but they've been given an inch...

I hold onto the hope that Mahmood recognises the likely consequences to UK society of continuing appeasement, and so continues with her reforms and doesn't fold.

She has the opportunity to make a genuine difference to the UK's future, I think.

These men will have to learn they can't always get their way like they did with Batley.

Mahmoud had to face activists telling constituents that it was Haram to vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

The Gaza activists like Akhmed Yakoob were particularly gunning for her. They were also for Jess Phillips, which made her later sympathy for the BRUVVERS when they surrounded that pub during the 2024 riots so baffling

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-riots-jess-phillips-birmingham-bordesley-green-b2591790.html

💯 and we have every right to say it. We aren't going to back down for fear of unfounded labels and neither will Mahmood. I was pleased on her keeping that cabinet appointment. My respect for her has increased immensely. Also, her words after Ann's murder were respectful and poignant.

Yes, the more extreme elements of the British Pakistani community have been enabled by the progressive liberal left who would rather turn a blind eye to the abuse of thousands of white British girls than admit that multiculturalism doesn't live up to their fantasy.

I have met these people. They will say that clan based CSE committed by Pakistani-heritage men is a lie created by the far right, despite all the evidence. These people have done enormous damage to our country.

Sorry, didn't beyond a pay wall. So British Pakistanis are protesting that the rapist shouldn't be deported. They are claiming 'far' right groups are pushing for this. No care for the victims just for their 'brother'. Shabana Mahmood is being targetted for her race. Nice bit of emotional blackmail going on there. Thank goodness Mahmood puts Britain first.

Disgraceful and I presume she's going to push back on this.

Shabana Mahmood faces British Pakistani revolt over Rochdale rapist sanctions https://share.google/5IW0hpbF792dNgrL7

And for the avoidance of doubt - yes, the individuals who committed these horrific crimes are entirely responsible for their actions. Entirely to blame.

Their culture may have encouraged them to think of white girls as worthless, but that in no way absolves them of their personal responsibility.

Most people - despite the same cultural influences - do not groom and rape children.

It's completely perverse to put any of the blame on British culture and laws.

People of Pakistani heritage make up about 2.5% to 2.8% of the overall UK population. If the grooming gang crimes were a result of British culture, then only 2.5 - 2.8% of the rapists would be of Pakistani heritage.

But despite the police's attempts to hide it, it's very clear that they are almost all of Pakistani heritage.

Hundreds of thousands of children raped in dozens of towns and cities. This isn't some little, local aberration.

Why are posters on here still trying to twist out of the truth? Why do they hate their own country and their own people so much?

That's the part of British culture which is to blame, if any. A fetishisation of the non-white and the non-normative. An attempt by 'progressives' to make themselves more interesting by elevating absolutely anyone above boring old white British people.

It has to stop.

along with that - THOSE!

The assets of the perpetrators of all sexual crime should be seized in my opinion, along with that of the immediate and extended family.

The threat of certain poverty to all adjacent is a powerful motivator and would certainly empower those who around these people to band together and speak up.

The assets should be distributed to the victims of the crime, or at the very least pay for their housing, therapy, rehabilitation etc.

Prison for one is not enough.

I don't think it's fair to put all the blame on "us" as in British culture and laws etc.

Fair

Presumably his family need to take a great deal of responsibility for shaping him.

Also fair.

But, does he not have responsibility? I mean - he was not a child when he committed the crimes. And he hid them, clearly demonstrating that he knew full well what he was doing was wrong.