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Burnham unopposed & likely to be PM by mid July

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Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 12:36

Wes Streeting confirms on social media that he won’t stand as a candidate for the Labour leadership. He says that a contest where candidates spent the summer “exaggerating small differences” would not be good for the party or the country, and having spoken to Burnham, he is confident that that there is “a place” for the policies he has been advocating under a Burnham premiership.

The Guardian say this means it is now very, very likely that Burnham will be PM be mid July. It is conceivable that another candidate may come forward. But, apart from Streeting, no one else has publicly signalled an intention to stand, and with Burnham now a shoo-in, it is hard to imagine any other MP getting the support they would need to be a candidate.

heguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jun/22/keir-starmer-resignation-timeable-andy-burnham-labour-leadership-prime-minister-latest-news-updates?page=with%3Ablock-6a390a538f08adffab1e97fd#block-6a390a538f08adffab1e97fd

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NoWordForFluffy · 07/07/2026 13:58

MulberryBrandy · 07/07/2026 13:25

I regret that my asking for more detail necessitated someone to come to your defence.

Nevertheless, thanks for outlining what you believe.

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I actually wasn't defending anybody. Just pointing out that nobody has to do anything on MN at the behest of another poster.

NoBluebutCerulean · 07/07/2026 13:42

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 13:27

And Badenoch's claim "for the first time ever, we are now spending more on welfare than we earn in income tax” is wrong.

Would you like to correct your statement, or shall I?

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I have never seen the quote but:
Is Kemi's statement right if we include pensions in the total?
Or is there a breakdown easily obtained and read.

hedgeknight · 07/07/2026 13:30

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 13:27

And Badenoch's claim "for the first time ever, we are now spending more on welfare than we earn in income tax” is wrong.

Would you like to correct your statement, or shall I?

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Badenoch has been asked to correct this statement multiple times.

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 13:27

hedgeknight · 07/07/2026 13:20

No, we can't all agree on that

It's the same as asking 'can we all agree that the previous Tory government was a unmigitated disaster'

And Badenoch's claim "for the first time ever, we are now spending more on welfare than we earn in income tax” is wrong.

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And Badenoch's claim "for the first time ever, we are now spending more on welfare than we earn in income tax” is wrong.

Would you like to correct your statement, or shall I?

MulberryBrandy · 07/07/2026 13:25

NoBluebutCerulean · 07/07/2026 13:10

Thank you for your defence @NoWordForFluffy .
IMO Margaret got the idea of Society very wrong. She didn't think there was much if I remember rightly.
Her privatisations were well intentioned and it brought fresh money in. The primary legislation for the Regulators was far too weak. The companies ran rings round them.
Regulators should have the power to instigate investigation. They can only respond to complaints and respond to the letter of the complaint not widen it out.

I regret that my asking for more detail necessitated someone to come to your defence.

Nevertheless, thanks for outlining what you believe.

hedgeknight · 07/07/2026 13:20

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 12:51

Let’s find something we can all agree on, for starters.

Can we all agree that this Labour government has been an unmitigated disaster, and that socialism does not work?

Who can we tax to pay benefits to others?

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No, we can't all agree on that

It's the same as asking 'can we all agree that the previous Tory government was a unmigitated disaster'

And Badenoch's claim "for the first time ever, we are now spending more on welfare than we earn in income tax” is wrong.

NoBluebutCerulean · 07/07/2026 13:10

Thank you for your defence @NoWordForFluffy .
IMO Margaret got the idea of Society very wrong. She didn't think there was much if I remember rightly.
Her privatisations were well intentioned and it brought fresh money in. The primary legislation for the Regulators was far too weak. The companies ran rings round them.
Regulators should have the power to instigate investigation. They can only respond to complaints and respond to the letter of the complaint not widen it out.

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 13:07

Araminta1003 · 07/07/2026 13:01

It is Jess Philips on tomorrow, you can call up and ask a polite question.

Thanks, but I am polishing my cat….

Araminta1003 · 07/07/2026 13:01

It is Jess Philips on tomorrow, you can call up and ask a polite question.

Araminta1003 · 07/07/2026 12:57

I am listening to Wes Streeting taking questions on LBC. They clearly got the message to try and control the narrative themselves. So that is a start. The question is what advice do you have for Andy Burnham…

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 12:51

MulberryBrandy · 07/07/2026 12:20

I'm afraid you will have to, succinctly, outline the distinction between modern Conservatism and @Bullandbear's modern Thatcherism.

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Let’s find something we can all agree on, for starters.

Can we all agree that this Labour government has been an unmitigated disaster, and that socialism does not work?

Who can we tax to pay benefits to others?

NoWordForFluffy · 07/07/2026 12:28

MulberryBrandy · 07/07/2026 12:20

I'm afraid you will have to, succinctly, outline the distinction between modern Conservatism and @Bullandbear's modern Thatcherism.

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Have to? Nobody has to do anything on here. It's a chat forum, not paid employment with managers!

MulberryBrandy · 07/07/2026 12:20

NoBluebutCerulean · 07/07/2026 12:06

We do not want Thatcherism. We want a modern Conservatism delivered by better people than BoJo installed. Could Rishi be tempted back in active politics.

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I'm afraid you will have to, succinctly, outline the distinction between modern Conservatism and @Bullandbear's modern Thatcherism.

NoBluebutCerulean · 07/07/2026 12:06

MulberryBrandy · 06/07/2026 15:38

Who is best to deliver modern Thatcherism?

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We do not want Thatcherism. We want a modern Conservatism delivered by better people than BoJo installed. Could Rishi be tempted back in active politics.

hedgeknight · 07/07/2026 09:41

Interesting edit

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2026 08:46

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 08:45

Recommend adhering to the thread topic as opposed to ad hominem posting.

Unless one is out of valid arguments, of course.

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Fine. You go first and address the point I made.

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 08:45

Recommend adhering to the thread topic as opposed to ad hominem posting.

Unless one is out of valid arguments, of course.

hedgeknight · 07/07/2026 08:24

Are you the poster who lives abroad and is a Trump fan Bull?

BIossomtoes · 07/07/2026 07:45

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 04:40

See your PP when you stated that you were no longer engaging with me.

Please do the right thing and adhere to your previous undertaking.

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😘

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 04:46

hedgeknight · 06/07/2026 22:15

You didn't want Labour in.

There will be no general election

You will just have to put up with it, you had 14 years and made a real mess of it.

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There will be no GE…

Did your powers of prediction also predict that Starmer would step down? No, I did not think so. Burnham has no mandate for what he is about to inflict on the UK - it’s not hyperbole to say that further tax raids, a failure to get a grip on the welfare budget and immigration, as well as defence - will see Burnham under tremendous pressure.

It’s so depressing to acknowledge, but Burnham’s failure is inevitable. His ideas are narrow and shallow, based on dogma and buoyed by vibes. Appreciation of commerce, trade, finance, the tidal forces of economics? Zero. Respect for them? Even less.

This is his third run at leadership. He should have a fully formed vision of what needs to be done. He does not and this raises the question of why he is running.
Personal ambition is my guess.

Bullandbear · 07/07/2026 04:40

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2026 21:17

Socialism works perfectly well in many other countries. We haven’t had a socialist government in the UK since the 1970s. We know for sure that right of centre governments don’t work - the mess we’re currently in with defence is a direct result of the previous government starving the budget for over a decade.

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See your PP when you stated that you were no longer engaging with me.

Please do the right thing and adhere to your previous undertaking.

hedgeknight · 06/07/2026 22:15

Bullandbear · 06/07/2026 20:05

No, I want Labour out - the removal of Starmer (and Reeves, shortly), are just necessary steps to that end result.

Socialism does not work.

You didn't want Labour in.

There will be no general election

You will just have to put up with it, you had 14 years and made a real mess of it.

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2026 21:17

Bullandbear · 06/07/2026 20:05

No, I want Labour out - the removal of Starmer (and Reeves, shortly), are just necessary steps to that end result.

Socialism does not work.

Socialism works perfectly well in many other countries. We haven’t had a socialist government in the UK since the 1970s. We know for sure that right of centre governments don’t work - the mess we’re currently in with defence is a direct result of the previous government starving the budget for over a decade.

Bullandbear · 06/07/2026 20:05

No, I want Labour out - the removal of Starmer (and Reeves, shortly), are just necessary steps to that end result.

Socialism does not work.

hedgeknight · 06/07/2026 18:54

The Conservatives had their chance for the last 14 years and they left the country in a bad state. What is Badenoch going to do that she couldn't do when she was in government?

When you are anti Labour, it doesn't really matter who is PM, Chancellor any way. You wanted Starmer gone from day 1, and now you have what you always wanted.

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