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Burnham unopposed & likely to be PM by mid July

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Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 12:36

Wes Streeting confirms on social media that he won’t stand as a candidate for the Labour leadership. He says that a contest where candidates spent the summer “exaggerating small differences” would not be good for the party or the country, and having spoken to Burnham, he is confident that that there is “a place” for the policies he has been advocating under a Burnham premiership.

The Guardian say this means it is now very, very likely that Burnham will be PM be mid July. It is conceivable that another candidate may come forward. But, apart from Streeting, no one else has publicly signalled an intention to stand, and with Burnham now a shoo-in, it is hard to imagine any other MP getting the support they would need to be a candidate.

heguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jun/22/keir-starmer-resignation-timeable-andy-burnham-labour-leadership-prime-minister-latest-news-updates?page=with%3Ablock-6a390a538f08adffab1e97fd#block-6a390a538f08adffab1e97fd

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Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 15:11

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 14:38

It wouldn’t make enough difference. There has to be an incentive to work for people on benefits. Employers would just take the NI cut and add it to their profits.

It would make a difference - Starmer caused a lot of damage - he says himself he created his "workers right act" gave the most rights to workers in a generation, the consequence to that is the biggest increase in the burden of being an employer in a generation. I really hope that Burham is going to come in and work with business like he has in Manchester rather than against it like Starmer. If he puts actions behind growth rather than every increasing barriers that would be great. Starmer seemed to think that if you said we need growth enough times it would happen like some kind of "we believe in fairies" chant at the panto.

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 14:38

It wouldn’t make enough difference. There has to be an incentive to work for people on benefits. Employers would just take the NI cut and add it to their profits.

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 14:28

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 14:16

Whether welfare cuts are unpopular depends on how they’re done. Burnham is very keen on getting the 1million NEETs off benefits and into employment. He thinks that can be achieved by incentivising employers and increasing the number of apprenticeships. If the benefits bill was cut in that way, who could object?

Not sure many would. Rolling back most of Starmers anti employment stuff would be a great start.

whitehandledkitchenlang · 23/06/2026 14:25

It would appear that this think tank is endorsing all things Burnham.
https://www.compassonline.org.uk

Led by Neal Lawson and Caroline Lucas.
Its aim being a progressive coalition.

Lawson has also set this up
https:/www.mainstreamlabour.org/founding-statement

From the Compass site
"Hear from the the widest range of voices in the progressive movement - from international thinkers like Yanis Varoufakis and George Monbiot, to politicians like Dawn Butler, Caroline Lucas,Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham, to organisers working on the ground in Preston and Cumbria."

Compass - Compass

Compass is the home for everyone who wants to be part of a much more equal, democratic and sustainable future.

https://www.compassonline.org.uk

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 14:24

I posted this on a different thread re Burnham's potential policies (from the BBC):

Public control of water, energy and transport
Burnham has repeatedly advocated bringing water "back under stronger public control", pointing to the Greater Manchester bus network, which is run by private operators but has public oversight and control, as a model. He has, however, advocated public ownership for companies like Thames Water.
"We do need to bring down water bills, energy bills, rail fares, just as we brought down bus fares in Greater Manchester, to make life more affordable for people," he said in his victory speech after winning the Makerfield seat.
Social care
Burnham has been a long term supporter of reform to social care, dating back to his time as a health minister under Tony Blair in 2006-07 and then health secretary under Gordon Brown in 2009-2010.
He has repeatedly suggested inheritance tax should be replaced with a "national care levy" which, he said in a speech in 2023, would mean the "care [that] is provided is free" and "everybody would pay but obviously the wealthiest would pay the most."
Defence spending
Last week, John Healey resigned as Sir Keir's defence secretary, claiming the draft government proposals would take UK defence spending to 2.68% of GDP by 2030, falling "well short" of the 3% target he considered necessary.
Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.
He told the paper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.
"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill. Not at all," he said.
Big council home expansion and possible tax reforms
In his campaign launch speech, Burnham said he wanted "the biggest programme of council house building since the Second World War".
He suggested this could be funded by rediverting the existing £39bn affordable housing programme entirely to social rent homes.
Also at his campaign launch, Burnham indicated he wanted to change how business, property and land is taxed, including reforms to what he described as a "highly regressive" council tax.
Burnham has long expressed support for a land value tax (LVT) - an annual tax based solely on the value of the land itself, excluding any buildings or improvements on the property.
Northern leg of HS2 making a comeback?
In an interview with iNews, Burnham said he wanted to resurrect the northern leg of HS2 between Birmingham and Manchester.
Cutting business rates
Burnham has called for a "new drive of re-industrialisation" across the north of England and the rest of the UK.
"It's about time we started backing British business and British industry so we can re-industrialise places like this," he said after winning the seat.
During the by-election campaign, his team sent out a policy document promising a cut in business rates for pubs and music venues by 20%.
That would be paid for, they said, by higher taxes of out-of-town warehouses used by online retailers like Amazon. Burnham also wants to raise the threshold at which business rates kick in, taking lots of small high street shops out of paying altogether.
Education
In his speech after victory in Makerfield, Burnham said he wanted an education system that was not dominated by the university route, but one which "offers a path for everybody, academic and technical in equal balance".
He also said he wanted to secure more work placements for 16 to 18-year-olds and guarantees of apprenticeships.
National Insurance
Burnham told BBC Newsnight he wanted to reconsider the increase in National Insurance paid by employers, brought in by Rachel Reeves in the 2024 Budget.
Waspi women
Burnham was reported to have told a hustings event during the campaign he would "stick by the Waspi women because they deserve some recompense for the unfairness".
But following concern about the cost of such a scheme, a spokesperson clarified that he "accepts the final decision" of the government not to grant compensation.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

Newly elected Makerfield MP Andy Burnham of Britain's Labour Party reacts following his victory in the Makerfield by-election, triggered by the resignation of Labour MP John Simons, at the The Edge Wigan in Wigan, Britain, June 19, 2026.

What are Andy Burnham's potential policies?

After winning the Makerfield by-election, we look at what policies Andy Burnham has advocated - including transport, education and energy.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clywzj2vk3zo

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SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2026 14:17

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:59

Of course welfare cuts will be unpopular especially to those who get cut. But defence is critical and his matra is "place over party" isn't it?

Many, many things are critical.

I haven't seen the mantra 'place over party' - could you link to the quote?

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 14:16

Whether welfare cuts are unpopular depends on how they’re done. Burnham is very keen on getting the 1million NEETs off benefits and into employment. He thinks that can be achieved by incentivising employers and increasing the number of apprenticeships. If the benefits bill was cut in that way, who could object?

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 14:16

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:59

Of course welfare cuts will be unpopular especially to those who get cut. But defence is critical and his matra is "place over party" isn't it?

Agree that defence is critical. But it remains to be seen whether he is allowed to enact that policy (assuming he becomes PM) without being torn to shreds by the media and all those who are against cut to welfare. Just from MN threads it is clear that it is a highly emotive issue and Starmer was heavily criticised just for trying to cut the pensioners winter fuel allowance. Many pensioners don't even need that allowance (while some do of course).

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SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2026 14:15

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:57

This is the trouble with UK politics - people already deciding he is a failure when he was only sworn in as an MP yesterday and the leadership challenge hasn't even started yet apart from a date has been announced.

I would have been happy to stick with Starmer but if that is not to be, think we should at least give the next Labour leader a chance.

Agree.

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:59

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:54

Trouble is if he cuts welfare to fund defence he will both attract some voters back from Reform but also lose some to the Lib Dems or Green Party.

Every policy will be unpopular with some. That's why a PM has to have strong convictions about what is the best path for the good of the country.

Of course welfare cuts will be unpopular especially to those who get cut. But defence is critical and his matra is "place over party" isn't it?

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:57

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:53

Come off it, He's been planning this for months and months. If he doesn't know what he is going to do now, he is literally just another Starmer who will blow with the wind.

This is the trouble with UK politics - people already deciding he is a failure when he was only sworn in as an MP yesterday and the leadership challenge hasn't even started yet apart from a date has been announced.

I would have been happy to stick with Starmer but if that is not to be, think we should at least give the next Labour leader a chance.

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Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:54

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 12:31

Burnham said he will cut welfare to fund defense. If he delivers that quickly he could well attract voters back from Reform.

Trouble is if he cuts welfare to fund defence he will both attract some voters back from Reform but also lose some to the Lib Dems or Green Party.

Every policy will be unpopular with some. That's why a PM has to have strong convictions about what is the best path for the good of the country.

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Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:53

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:50

I think we need to give him a chance - he was only sworn in as an MP yesterday!

Come off it, He's been planning this for months and months. If he doesn't know what he is going to do now, he is literally just another Starmer who will blow with the wind.

Twiglets1 · 23/06/2026 13:50

Araminta1003 · 23/06/2026 12:04

Andy Burnham gave a smarmy speech when he won Makerfield (the makers of the swamp more likely at this point). In that speech, he talked about CHANGE - so clearly he must have some very clear plan for CHANGE and why has it not been published yet in detail including on Defence, Economic Growth.
He literally deliberately unseated Starmer because Starmer’s change was apparently too slow.
So surely against that, he must be publishing his big Master Plan for Change Immediately?!

I think we need to give him a chance - he was only sworn in as an MP yesterday!

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SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2026 13:48

Nominations don't open for more than 2 weeks. I would expect Burnham is more likely to lay out a plan at that stage, as will anyone else who is standing, than he is now.

In the meantime, I would work on the assumption that if Burnham (or another candidate) haven't said otherwise, they agree with the manifesto.

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:42

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 13:37

Do you mean Healey? I’d prefer him as Chancellor and Carns in Defence personally.

I actually agree. We would rapidly see welfare come down if he was in the treasury finding the cash for defence.

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 13:37

Do you mean Healey? I’d prefer him as Chancellor and Carns in Defence personally.

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:37

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 13:23

As you seem to have more insight into the Saviour's plans than the Labour MPs is he still standing by the Graduate Tax?

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 13:32

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 13:23

Pleased to hear that he doesn't change his mind. The quicker he get the welfare bill down and shifts the spend into defense the better. Hopefully he will bring Heely back into the role.

BIossomtoes · 23/06/2026 13:23

LovingTelescopes · 23/06/2026 13:10

But what will be his position today at 13.10 and what will it be today at 17.15?

You know it changes hourly and depending on who he is talking to-the anti democratic sly twerp.

King of the North my arse-Andy Capp more like,

Edited

His position hasn’t changed much in 16 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/aug/23/andy-burnham-labour-metropolitan-elite

Andy Burnham launches blitz on 'metropolitan elite'

Labour leadership candidate calls for paid work experience, and free travel for students

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/aug/23/andy-burnham-labour-metropolitan-elite

SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2026 13:20

LovingTelescopes · 23/06/2026 13:10

But what will be his position today at 13.10 and what will it be today at 17.15?

You know it changes hourly and depending on who he is talking to-the anti democratic sly twerp.

King of the North my arse-Andy Capp more like,

Edited

Why is he an anti-democratic sly twerp?

SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2026 13:19

@Araminta1003 as I said above, I hold no candle for Burnham.

I suspect he will be a bit better, but whether "good enough" to make up for the disruption - I'm not sure. And I would have preferred more stability of leader from the Tories too.

LovingTelescopes · 23/06/2026 13:10

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 12:31

Burnham said he will cut welfare to fund defense. If he delivers that quickly he could well attract voters back from Reform.

But what will be his position today at 13.10 and what will it be today at 17.15?

You know it changes hourly and depending on who he is talking to-the anti democratic sly twerp.

King of the North my arse-Andy Capp more like,

Araminta1003 · 23/06/2026 13:06

The next general election has to be called by August 2029. That is just 3 years. Starmer had less than two and apparently was not fast enough.

I just do not understand what this party is playing at all. Either have a very firm plan and get going immediately. Or what was the point of further political turmoil and uncertainty for us all.

HappiestSleeping · 23/06/2026 13:04

Lemonsqueezer12 · 23/06/2026 12:05

I'm sure Josh Simons will be popping up in the Lords very soon as his reward.

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I'm sure he'll turn down the offer on the basis of not being self serving 🤣

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