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Burnham unopposed & likely to be PM by mid July

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Twiglets1 · 22/06/2026 12:36

Wes Streeting confirms on social media that he won’t stand as a candidate for the Labour leadership. He says that a contest where candidates spent the summer “exaggerating small differences” would not be good for the party or the country, and having spoken to Burnham, he is confident that that there is “a place” for the policies he has been advocating under a Burnham premiership.

The Guardian say this means it is now very, very likely that Burnham will be PM be mid July. It is conceivable that another candidate may come forward. But, apart from Streeting, no one else has publicly signalled an intention to stand, and with Burnham now a shoo-in, it is hard to imagine any other MP getting the support they would need to be a candidate.

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MulberryBrandy · 25/06/2026 19:23

@Araminta1003 I did not know about the Latin and I do support the opportunity to study the Classics. I have a feeling though that you and I are in the minority. As for the VAT, which started off the discussion, it affects so few people.

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 19:08

Also, remember Philipson cancelled Latin in state schools for kids during the GCSE years who then had to drop it during the academic year and cancelled the funding for the International Baccalaureate - lots of state schools have to drop it because surprise surprise delivering 6 subjects plus theory of knowledge is more expensive than delivering 3 A levels, it was not just some state schools ”trying it on”.
The Latin appears to be a spiteful dig at Boris Johnson & Co too.
It is not just private schools that she has been bad for or quasi spiteful towards. She is lowering the standards across the board. You cannot just drag everyone down and tell teachers to up standards with zero funding. They were already on their knees post Tories. One can see how NEU is annoyed, they had hoped it would get better under Labour but it got even worse!

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 18:56

Keir Starmer, House of Commons, re: Bridget Phillipson "She knows that for poor children education is absolutely vital and that is why it drives every single priority and value that she has."

@MulberryBrandy - it has never ever been this bad in state schools since my kids have been young, I promise you! The head is there until 10pm every night at the school I am at a governor at dealing with all sorts and this is a school with lower FSM than what is typical locally. There are unsupported kids in mainstream hitting, biting staff and kids, throwing chairs in most schools now, in primary school. Secondary school has tons of kids with mental health issues and on suicide watch on low attendance.
There is literally nothing Bridget Phillipson has achieved for any of these kids and I am not even talking about deprived schools here, I am talking about the type of state schools Labour politicians tend to boast about.
So when the NEU is telling you she has been completely and utterly useless, then you need to believe her. Not some nonsense Starmer is saying to do his best to keep his “protege” there. Her values are entirely irrelevant. She has not delivered whatsoever.
According to the private school sector and those with high proportion of SEND kids, she did not even visit a single school. Who does that after screwing them over royally with VAT? Remember a lot of smaller independent schools are a lifeline for some kids with SEND and a last resort for some parents.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 25/06/2026 18:52

It does explain trans ideology. Women aren't people with different interests they are just ' vibez'

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 25/06/2026 18:10

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:53

Kemi Badenoch has mocked Labour after a party figure claimed Andy Burnham would be their “first woman prime minister”.

Earlier today, a senior Labour figure, speaking anonymously, told The Spectator that Mr Burnham would come into No 10 surrounded by “female advisers and backers”.

They added: “The reason Labour have always craved, but also been cautious about, a female leader is because, in a Labour Government, she could have an unashamedly female agenda, focused on health, education, family finances, and issues like safer streets...

“Along comes Andy, surrounded by female advisers and backers, but more importantly, genuinely passionate about all those traditionally female-oriented issues, and much less so with the bombs and bullets.”

In response, Mrs Badenoch said: “Labour might have changed leader, but they still don’t know what a woman is.”

😂

Over to JKR…

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/2070152896583254434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2070152896583254434%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2026%2F06%2F25%2Frachel-reeves-backs-burnham-for-pm%2F

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Omg how fucking offensive! The worst thing is I suspected that's what they think of women. " The power behind the throne" good enough for being in the background but we can't scare the horses by having an actual woman with her soft woman ways leading The Men! They might not listen because of all the witterung on about babies.

MulberryBrandy · 25/06/2026 17:44

@Araminta1003 Her main aim seems to be to get a few more Bridget’s into Oxford to lessen competition with private schools. Who actually cares about any of that! It is not relevant. The kids who is well taken care of and goes to the library and to Catholic school is already ahead compared to most of the rest of the country.

Keir Starmer, House of Commons, re: Bridget Phillipson "She knows that for poor children education is absolutely vital and that is why it drives every single priority and value that she has."

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 16:25

Speaking to reporters today, Kemi Badenoch defended what she said about the education secretary at PMQs. She said:

Yesterday I said that Bridget Phillipson was spiteful and incompetent. It’s interesting that she hasn’t complained about being incompetent, and Keir Starmer didn’t say that she was competent.

OUCH!

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2026 16:23

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 16:14

Do you think that Burnham will be able to reform the welfare budget?

Given your previous ‘rolling the ground’ comment.

It won't be easy but it can be done.

Although the PIP reform failed they got a significant cut to Universal Credit for those unable to do Work Related Activity through

Lemonsqueezer12 · 25/06/2026 16:19

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 15:05

Burnham isn’t thick. He can’t piss off the bond markets or he will be Mr Cabbage especially if he was just in by crowning.
In some ways, it is good he just comes in because he can then simply control the rest of them and whip them. That is what the country needs at this point. No use in spending all our cash on interest and not being safe at all. He has to regain investor and business confidence immediately or he will be toast by Christmas.

I suppose cabbages last a far bit longer than lettuces!

NoWordForFluffy · 25/06/2026 16:18

EasternStandard · 25/06/2026 10:48

Well that doesn’t take much to decipher

A maintained school (often called a state school) is funded by central government and overseen by the local authority (LA) .

Representing state school teachers is one of the primary functions of the National Education Union. It is the largest education union in the UK and represents teachers and education professionals in maintained schools, academies, and free schools across England and Wales.

The polling private school only posts are misinformation.

Edited

Sorry, didn't see this when I corrected the misrepresentation.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/06/2026 16:17

BIossomtoes · 25/06/2026 10:41

The NEU represents private school teachers.

We are the largest education union representing teachers, lecturers, support staff, and school leaders, in maintained and independent schools and colleges across the UK.

We have a powerful voice and have been effective in winning improvements to our members’ working conditions and shaping an education system that works for all.

https://neu.org.uk/about

Maintained schools are state funded.

Lemonsqueezer12 · 25/06/2026 16:17

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 14:52

“The minute he stops the triple lock or takes the £10bn out of benefits to fund defence he will become less popular with many people.”

He has to do some of this. There is not really a choice. The extra child benefit should also go to schools where it actually makes a difference to children as it is handled by professionals.
They soften it with pension credit availability and other stuff.
If you put extra child benefit into schools and hire more staff, you also get the economy growing at the same time.

Completely agree. I hope he has the nerve for it.

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 16:14

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2026 16:07

The issue was the benefit involved (PIP) and the changes proposed. Looked like something the Tories had left in a filing cabinet.

Maybe his authority was already going downhill by then but a better manager wouldn't have let himself get in that mess.

Do you think that Burnham will be able to reform the welfare budget?

Given your previous ‘rolling the ground’ comment.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/06/2026 16:10

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 09:04

How much of a nut zero cultist do you need to be that even the unions don’t want you in charge! Brilliant.

Two of Britain’s biggest trade unions are increasing pressure on Andy Burnham not to pick Ed Miliband as the UK’s next finance minister, arguing that his North Sea oil policy has damaged jobs in the sector.

Sharon Graham, general secretary of Unite the Union, and Gary Smith, general secretary of the GMB — two unions that are major donors to the Labour Party — have both pushed the likely next prime minister to choose an alternative candidate to run the Treasury.

Well, that's good news for the rest of us!

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2026 16:07

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:01

Again, context (ain’t it wonderful?)

Starmer failed to get 5 bn of a future increase stopped, from a total welfare bill of, what, 330 bn?

‘Rolling the ground’ or otherwise - it tells you just how stymied Burnham will be.

As others have said - the bond market will straighten him out, however much Burnham thinks otherwise.

The issue was the benefit involved (PIP) and the changes proposed. Looked like something the Tories had left in a filing cabinet.

Maybe his authority was already going downhill by then but a better manager wouldn't have let himself get in that mess.

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:53

Kemi Badenoch has mocked Labour after a party figure claimed Andy Burnham would be their “first woman prime minister”.

Earlier today, a senior Labour figure, speaking anonymously, told The Spectator that Mr Burnham would come into No 10 surrounded by “female advisers and backers”.

They added: “The reason Labour have always craved, but also been cautious about, a female leader is because, in a Labour Government, she could have an unashamedly female agenda, focused on health, education, family finances, and issues like safer streets...

“Along comes Andy, surrounded by female advisers and backers, but more importantly, genuinely passionate about all those traditionally female-oriented issues, and much less so with the bombs and bullets.”

In response, Mrs Badenoch said: “Labour might have changed leader, but they still don’t know what a woman is.”

😂

Over to JKR…

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/2070152896583254434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2070152896583254434%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fpolitics%2F2026%2F06%2F25%2Frachel-reeves-backs-burnham-for-pm%2F

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 15:44

Well if Andy Burnham has to channel his inner Simon Cowell too so be it.

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:33

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:18

I agree with you - Starmer is known to be a populist weathervane - a people pleaser.

There is an excellent piece in the FT, written by a northern journo who has followed Burnham for years.

I will try to share.

The decade that made Andy Burnham
What 10 years covering the Manchester mayor’s many reinventions taught me about the man who wants to lead Britain.

Edited

Read ‘Burnham’, not Starmer.

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:18

EasternStandard · 25/06/2026 15:03

I’m not sure yet between these two interesting posts but I did note Labour MPs talked about Starmer’s authoritarian control on their own party, which is entirely unsurprising, and that Burnham wouldn’t be like that.

Even talk of (much) lower use of the three line whip. If they expect more freedom on votes it could get interesting.

I agree with you - Starmer is known to be a populist weathervane - a people pleaser.

There is an excellent piece in the FT, written by a northern journo who has followed Burnham for years.

I will try to share.

The decade that made Andy Burnham
What 10 years covering the Manchester mayor’s many reinventions taught me about the man who wants to lead Britain.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2026 15:06

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 15:05

Burnham isn’t thick. He can’t piss off the bond markets or he will be Mr Cabbage especially if he was just in by crowning.
In some ways, it is good he just comes in because he can then simply control the rest of them and whip them. That is what the country needs at this point. No use in spending all our cash on interest and not being safe at all. He has to regain investor and business confidence immediately or he will be toast by Christmas.

He’s definitely reined in the bond market what bond market chat with the ‘fiscal rules’ reaffirmation.

He needs to get the right chancellor too.

Araminta1003 · 25/06/2026 15:05

Burnham isn’t thick. He can’t piss off the bond markets or he will be Mr Cabbage especially if he was just in by crowning.
In some ways, it is good he just comes in because he can then simply control the rest of them and whip them. That is what the country needs at this point. No use in spending all our cash on interest and not being safe at all. He has to regain investor and business confidence immediately or he will be toast by Christmas.

EasternStandard · 25/06/2026 15:03

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 14:54

I’m afraid that I see things differently - irrespective of who is in the cabinet, this Labour government is run by the back benches and the unions. There is therefore no hope of meaningful reform.

Burnham is a caretaker/hostage, as you prefer, and his downfall is merely a function of time - as ‘two-year Starmer’s’ was.

Edited

I’m not sure yet between these two interesting posts but I did note Labour MPs talked about Starmer’s authoritarian control on their own party, which is entirely unsurprising, and that Burnham wouldn’t be like that.

Even talk of (much) lower use of the three line whip. If they expect more freedom on votes it could get interesting.

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 15:01

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2026 14:56

The backbench problem last year was that they declined to cut PIP.

That was a symptom of Starmer's failure to 'roll the ground' with them.

Again, context (ain’t it wonderful?)

Starmer failed to get 5 bn of a future increase stopped, from a total welfare bill of, what, 330 bn?

‘Rolling the ground’ or otherwise - it tells you just how stymied Burnham will be.

As others have said - the bond market will straighten him out, however much Burnham thinks otherwise.

Redpaisley · 25/06/2026 15:01

Namechangey23 · 23/06/2026 07:44

I actually don't think Starmer was so bad. Under hks leadership, he followed process, waiting times in the NHS reduced, the economy started to recover, the national minimum wage went up ha inf been stagnant for years, he resisted joining in trumps lunacy war, free breakfast club for all kids etc. He listened when people complained about the winter fuel allowance and reduced it's severity. He had a lot of good quality a and sometimes you just need to follow process to get a country back on track. But his downfall was he wasn't a strong character liked by the media, he was 'dutiful instead of 'dynamic'. The best dirt they could dig up on him was accepting a free Taylor swift ticket which I think he paid back! Hardly compares to the last administration level of scandal! And I do believe he probably didn't know about Mandlesons Epstein links or they were played down, but I can see why he was chosen as he had a good relationship with Trump. I note no one is going after the King, our head of state, for resignation/abdication for his brother's links to Epstein and yet the palace must have known about that as he was friends with him after he was charged. I don't know much about Andy Burnham but I really hope he isn't a power hungry style over substance sort of person. Out country needs stability right now, not a change of leadership trying to get to grips with the job yet again. To be fair to Starmer, I suspect he'd had enough of the infighting whilst he was trying to get the job done. I quite liked Angela Rayner too as she seemed good at what she did and was a people northerner, but she came a cropper too and was punished for trying to do the right thing. Let's hope Burnham isn't going to be farage lite.

Very well said.

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2026 14:56

Bullandbear · 25/06/2026 14:54

I’m afraid that I see things differently - irrespective of who is in the cabinet, this Labour government is run by the back benches and the unions. There is therefore no hope of meaningful reform.

Burnham is a caretaker/hostage, as you prefer, and his downfall is merely a function of time - as ‘two-year Starmer’s’ was.

Edited

The backbench problem last year was that they declined to cut PIP.

That was a symptom of Starmer's failure to 'roll the ground' with them.