Do you want a change of leader?

I think Starmer will go on to do very well He is an eminent human rights lawyer and well-respected on the international stage. He would be excellent on international matters concerning war crimes, etc. He will probably find more respect in this way - to his own party's shame and the country's detriment.

Trump is now tweeting that Starmer is resigning.

It's a done deal

Sadly most Labour MP s are useless apart from Shabana .

Looking forward to PM Andy.

He may have sold himself as steady and serious, and voters may have believed him. But he hasn’t got to the two-year mark yet, and all the time he’s been in office has been - to use the word he throws around about the Tories so much - chaos.

The simple truth is that Starmer is useless. Absolutely useless. He’s not just laughably bad, he’s a rank hypocrite to boot. And he’s a vindictive and unpleasant blame-thrower who chucks people under the bus at the sniff of a bad headline. Good riddance.

Whether Burnham’s any improvement we’ll have to see. My money’s on him being another dud.

I certainly agree with your first statement - as for your second, I just don’t know yet…

No, I don’t want a new leader. There’s been too much instability.

Thing is the country is a total mess and there’s no money. No party is going to solve that in a couple of years nor some boy wonder saying he’s going to make everything better.

People are too polarised, too, so no matter what happens politically there will be a fuck ton of people who don’t agree with what’s going on and will put a spanner in the works necessitating yet another election.

I predict political instability for the foreseeable future and nothing really getting better (but most things getting a lot worse).

I am probably going to be wrong as I seem to be in a huge minority but I think Burnham will go more centrist, not more Left. He is a massive opportunist and started off as an arch Blairite. He wants to be Prime Minister. In order to be Prime Minister he needs to first win over the Labour Party so needs to go Left but in order to win a GE he needs to sort out welfare and immigration so will go more Right. Elections are won from the Centre, not from wherever Labours old Trots are.

I remember keir starmer watching Boris at the despatch box spouting rubbish.. Keir had his head in his hands in despair at the bollocks he was listening to... And had to respond to.

I think keir has done a good job and is an honourable man. Honourable being a scarce commodity these days in labour, and non existent in the tories..

Be careful what you wish for. If Burnham is the messiah, then God will raise your taxes upon though....

Or Sunak. That press stuff was loved on here too. Labour can’t use the press as an excuse. Even the Labour MPs know that doesn’t wash for him and want him out.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame

Jeez, it’s always the fault of the press with Labour. 🙄 Like the press didn’t hammer May or Johnson or Truss.

They also hounded ex lidbem leader Tim Farron out of his leadership, which is a travesty as he'd have been a million time better as leader than Ed Davey who is utterly anonymous and generally a waste of space.

Jeez, it’s always the fault of the press with Labour. 🙄 Like the press didn’t hammer May or Johnson or Truss.

If Starmer had been any good he would have had the press on-side. Even the Sun backed him at the General Election.

The truth is that Starmer has been a useless hypocrite with appalling judgement. It’s good that the system allows for him to be given the boot. Burnham looks like he’ll be shit too. But that’s on Labour.

Come back Blair, all is forgiven!

I have read what people are saying and it sounds as if it is the Chancellor that a lot of people have a problem with. If Burnham is as good as he says - if everyone cares about country then maybe he should be promoted to that role.

Exactly “better communicator” simply equals better at bullshitting and talking the talk. That is not what anyone needs. We need someone hard working willing to make the difficult decisions.
Starmer should have replaced Reeves though, she is awful! Mahmood is good, some of them are good and delivering.
Wes Streeting I know find really overly emotional and slimy too.

No, we voted for Sir Keir Starmer and it feels extremely undemocractic. We voted Labour in as a country to end the musical chairs.
Do not have a problem with Burnham being in Cabinet or even Deputy, but not PM. It is toxic doing this and the press are clearly gagging for it just to sell another story and have more chaos. And the politicians are extremely tedious in their permanent desire for drama over hard work.
I already do not like Andy Burnham. Who does he think he is! Never heard of him before. He gives a good speech but sounds like a bullshitter to me. No person is second best and then comes from behind in a devious way. Already shows he has bad form and terrible character. At least Starmer works really hard.

Private Eye are also snooping on the land deals that Mayor Burnham has been doing. The fact they link it to the type of shenanigans Ben Houchen has been involved in in Tyneside is interesting

No, I don't. SKS has a mandate.

It's a factor of the online instant news cycle. Ever since Brexit it's been Much more cutthroat

7 PMs in 10 years - does the electorate need to consider the possibility we are responsible for this? Rather than just blaming, politicians, parliament, the media etc. We vote for these people, we have agency, we comment of social media, perhaps the public’s inability to realise change can be hard and takes time is an issue with our understanding.
We want everything, we want and we want it now, collectively having a toddler tantrum.

Pundits on sky or radio this morning saying that

1. this will mean the last prime minister to have been both voted in and voted out at election was Edward Heath. I did a think on that and I think it's disallowing John major winning in 1992 and David Cameron winning in 2015, but then major came in after toppling thatcher (so won the coup then called the election) and Cameron was gone after Brexit.

2. we'll have had 7 prime ministers in 10 years and are getting more like Italy.
   Since June 2016:
   Cameron
   May
   Johnson
   Truss
   Sunak
   Starmer
   Burnham/ not Starmer
   And that the long reins of Thatcher and Blair were actually the exceptions

@ArewethereyetareweWhat’s wrong with doing things for ‘your own ends’? Everyone, who has ever got a new job has done so for their own ends. Presumably, AB thinks he can do a better job than KS, lead the country better and improve the country - these are his ‘ends’ What’s wrong with that?
Point of interest the electoral system for mayor of Manchester has changed to Supplementary vote away from FPTP making a Labour victory much more likely. AB has not just abandoned Manchester.

I feel torn about this. I can’t stand Keir Starmer and hate some of the things he’s done. But I think Burnham will be so much worse.

I have no appetite for yet another prime minister and neither does anyone I’ve spoken to. Most people just want a bit of stability and this constant changing of prime minister every year or two is not helping anyone. It seems to be entirely let by the media who love to stir up unrest so they have something to report on!

One person's opinion. If Labour really has no one competent to replace Starmer then call a general election. Starmer's time has run out.

Simon Case, the previous top civil servant, interviewed by BBC:

added that Burnham would not resolve the big challenges facing the UK by "coming in and thinking you can govern simply by being a better communicator or somehow vibe coding".