Do you want a change of leader?

It just all looks so grubby.

The Labour MPs deciding what they think the plebs should get because they know so much better than we do.

If Burnham isn't able to turn everything around, they will look very stupid.

All of that is rubbish.

I think the issue is KS will not do internal party management. It can only be worked on if the person is willing to do the work!

No, it isn't. Politics is about securing enough power to get your policy through.

Thatcher didn't bother building relationships with the unions! Had a majority, put legislation through.

I don't know what people expect. Years of tory government that was just awful. Expect labour to come in and turn it around in a year. Imagine taking over a bakery only to find the previous owners have no only used up all the flour, eggs and sugar but they've destroyed the equipment, the ovens trashed and the only suppliers of anything to replace it are the old owners mates. That's what labour are dealing with.

I hear you but i don’t understand why coronating a new PM is the answer. Internal party management can be worked on.

For MPs who are already upset then, I think it’s going to be an even bigger shock if Burnham turn up unelected and with apparently huge encouragement to make lots of new policy quickly that’s not in the manifesto.

No. I want stability. This in-fighting and back stabbing is getting worse than the tories, and they were pretty bad at it. If they can't get along with each other, why would I trust them to tun the Country? Politics is about building relationships.

I don’t really understand why this apparent resignation and coronation of Andy Burnham is (it seems) looking on the cards other than ‘because Kier Starmer isn’t massively popular’ at the moment. That’s normal PM territory mid term.

It's not just that, although that is part of it.

Apparently KS doesn't discuss much with cabinet or party, and there have been proposals made (e.g. Winter Fuel) that were inevitably going to result in party opposition. The suspensions of long-standing MPs for voting against policies that were not in the manifesto was a source of much internal unhappiness.

I don’t really understand why this apparent resignation and coronation of Andy Burnham is (it seems) looking on the cards other than ‘because Kier Starmer isn’t massively popular’ at the moment. That’s normal PM territory mid term.

in the UK we’ve had unpopular PMs for centuries.so what? Not everyone can be Obama and that’s OK. I’d rather have an honest and competent and legally minded PM than uncertainty, coronations and beauty contests. Trump tweeting that Starmer is on the way out is a ln absolute joke! Have you seen Trump’s own abysmal approval ratings? Is he talking about stepping down? Never. He’s so corrupt and personally benefitting from the presidency that he’ll never willingly leave. Starmer in the other hand is scrupulously honest and intelligent. We need PMs like him.

I understand the frustration about the cautious or slow decision making of Starmer or the downbeat demeanour but that’s something for Starmer to work on. We’re in a massively uncertain and complex global situation. He’s aware of the merciless response if he gets it wrong.

There are serious dangers out there- absolute lunatics in charge of key global megapowers at the same time. The world is heating up and plasticising to a very frightening degree Racism and sexism are resurgent in the UK. All of which requires urgent international cooperation. The UK economy is not growing and the cost of daily living is unaffordable for so many people. We do have to think about how global climate migration in the future which makes today’s numbers looks trivial, is going to be managed. Pulling up our drawbridges is not the right approach.

Is it time for an unelected new PM? With all that going on? No. What substantive change can they make before the inevitable GE?

This is so short termist. We need a steady ship PM, which we have got, until the shine has fully worn off off the incompetent racists from Reform. They are cocking it up all over the country in local government right now and being unsurprisingly individually taken down for their sex or violence issues that make them totally unfit for public office. But Reform need to be given time to really illustrate that dire incompetence and failure. We definitely do not need a GE right now. We need to get closer to the EU, for example.

We need calm collaborative leadership to steer us through this stormy weather. Not a change of leader just for the sake of Labour Party egos and a feverish news cycle. Honestly this heatwave will pass and then everyone’s going to wonder what the hell just happened because we now have a new PM for no real reason m. Destabilising our institutions is crazy at this juncture. I hope Starmer does the statesmanlike thing and stays on.

The Market likes Rachel Reeves. That's why she's the Chancellor.🤷‍♀️ They see her as a safe pair of hands.

I'm not sure how Burnham is at making unpopular decisions either

Sam coates at sky has done a look in to the Manchester miracle. He's basically very good at going with the flow with stuff already in train

https://news.sky.com/video/sam-coates-what-would-andy-burnham-do-as-pm-13555974

To be honest it doesn't make any difference if he left of centre or just centre )whatever that is ) or right of centre. It doesn't matter if it's AB, KS, Conservatives , LibDems, Greens or Reform are in charge- the same central problem exists.
You can't increase Government spending because:

1. Tax rises slow the economy
2. increasing debt is not possible as it's already at record highs
3. cutting other spending because of the backbenchers

Equally you can't cut taxes to grow the economy because:

1. You can't increase debt
2. You cannot promise to cut spending and still get elected

No

Sadly the CX can rarely be vilified to save a PM. PM is First Lord of the Treasury, after all.

Just an old mates network arranging jobs to suit themselves.
Lets have a General Election in late September or early October. Starmer let us down last time. He said he would Stop the boats and Smash the Gangs. He has not even published a policy.
He failed to provide the financial framework for Defence, we know Russia is attacking us by hacking. M&S British Library, taken over 2 years to fix it.
He wants to give The Chagos Islands away and give ££billions of our money as well.
Let us vote.

I hope you are right.

For the good of the country no change please.
Burnham will be terrible for the country.

I think he’s as much to blame if not more for the budget. The PM sets the overall direction.

Agree with this. She is responsible for the wrecking ball that has hit small businesses. The clue was the run up to the last budget, the shambles that was. Totally incompetent.

How would Trump know anything?

True. What goes around

Now it's the British public holding their heads in their hands in despair at the bollocks Starmer has been spouting. How the tables have turned in such a short space of time. It doesn't look like Starmer will survive even two years in office. Such a humiliation.

We had all this with the Tories. All this backstabbing and infighting doesn’t exactly scream reliability. More like every man for himself.

As Prime Minister, Starmer needed to win the respect of the British public. He performed far worse than anyone could imagine. His resignation will be no loss to the country.

I think he’ll fade into obscurity. He has nothing worth selling.

I’d be amazed if even the Association of Windscreen Wiper Manufacturers were willing to book him as a speaker for their conference.