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Papyrophile · 2026-06-11T11:39:35+00:00

John Healey resigns! Another nail in SKS's coffin, or the only way to force a showdown?

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:13

I was in the private sector and started working late 70’s.

BruceGrobbelaar · 11/06/2026 21:11

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RedgooseberryBeehive · 11/06/2026 21:11

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 20:58

That really isn’t true. Both my parents had private pensions. I had one too. I was never told it wasn’t open to me as a women!

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I started work in the 70s and there was no company pension scheme open or offered to me. Solicitors office. I would say that it wasn’t something that was “a thing” for many ordinary, private sector, workers back then. Just not a topic of conversation. I was well into my thirties before I had a workplace pension available. I dare say those more in the know would have taken their own out but certainly my employer wouldn’t have contributed! Oh and I paid 33% income tax if I remember right.

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:11

Which one of the Cabinet has ever had a role running a business?

NoWordForFluffy · 11/06/2026 21:10

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:07

It’s as though they had NO plan…oh wait….

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Ahhhh, but they're the grown ups, they don't need a plan. 🙄

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:07

NoWordForFluffy · 11/06/2026 21:06

Carping from the sidelines but learning no lessons.

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It’s as though they had NO plan…oh wait….

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:07

Maybe we need to make sure our defences are robust and maybe just maybe we cannot fund some health concerns people might have.

Kemi is really sounding good but the Conservatives won’t get in next time. Labour are finished but who does that leave…

NoWordForFluffy · 11/06/2026 21:06

SisterTeatime · 11/06/2026 21:04

So clueless! What were they doing all that time in opposition, twiddling their thumbs?

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Carping from the sidelines but learning no lessons.

SisterTeatime · 11/06/2026 21:04

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:03

Agree but this useless LP are clueless.

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So clueless! What were they doing all that time in opposition, twiddling their thumbs?

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:03

SisterTeatime · 11/06/2026 21:01

I can’t help feeling that part of the anger around the welfare bill is that the payoff for the working taxpayer is completely unbalanced. Public services, schools, roads, all are being sacrificed for welfare, social care, and a bloated NHS. So we pay income tax, National Insurance, council tax, all the other kinds of tax, occupational pension, bus fares, prescription charges, and so on - and fair enough - but the return is less and less, and now the government has been stupid enough to walk into a defence v welfare framing of the situation.

Agree but this useless LP are clueless.

SisterTeatime · 11/06/2026 21:01

I can’t help feeling that part of the anger around the welfare bill is that the payoff for the working taxpayer is completely unbalanced. Public services, schools, roads, all are being sacrificed for welfare, social care, and a bloated NHS. So we pay income tax, National Insurance, council tax, all the other kinds of tax, occupational pension, bus fares, prescription charges, and so on - and fair enough - but the return is less and less, and now the government has been stupid enough to walk into a defence v welfare framing of the situation.

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 21:00

nearlylovemyusername · 11/06/2026 20:58

how many people were on welfare at that time? or better - what was % of welfare bill vs income tax receipts?

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Is your google broken? You can check it out as easily as me. Not that I can see the relevance. I’m using 1972 as my reference year.

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 21:00

We need to look at this whole MH bandwagon re benefits

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Papyrophile · 11/06/2026 20:59

To spare anyone's blushes, my DH (who has a very small but successful business) is still working, not flat out, at 70. We take our earnings each month, to cover our costs -- including our DC who's on apprentice wages in the SE, which means we subsidise the cost of the roof over their head every month. Theoretically we could take on an extra person, but we won't.

Because the ones we have employed for 10 years are gold dust.

Because we are too small to carry passengers.
But we have given our staff a 7.5% pay increase and a bonus payment too within the last month, because we can't afford to lose them.

So, no, I'd disagree that all businesses are rapacious cunts.

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PropertyD · 11/06/2026 20:58

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 20:56

The highest rate was 90%. There were very few pension schemes and many of them were closed to women.

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That really isn’t true. Both my parents had private pensions. I had one too. I was never told it wasn’t open to me as a women!

BruceGrobbelaar · 11/06/2026 20:58

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BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 20:56

The highest rate was 90%. There were very few pension schemes and many of them were closed to women.

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how many people were on welfare at that time? or better - what was % of welfare bill vs income tax receipts?

EasternStandard · 11/06/2026 20:57

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There can’t be many who still think he can survive.

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 20:57

menopausequeen · 11/06/2026 20:53

Why penalise people who have paid national insurance? It’s just attacking anyone who has contributed.
Working people need to be rewarded and those making a life out of benefits need to be stopped and that money used to defend us and improve our health care.
Its no longer sustainable to keep taking from the ever reducing number of people who people up, or have propped up, society.

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No one should expect the State Pension to support them at retirement. You need a private pension. If you choose not to work then don’t be surprised when all you are living on is the SP.

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 20:56

Noras · 11/06/2026 20:53

The thresholds were higher so only a few paid higher rate tax and there was no highest rate tax which we now have at 45% plus a few decades ago you could drop unlimited amounts into your pension.

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The highest rate was 90%. There were very few pension schemes and many of them were closed to women.

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 20:54

You can never tax your way to growth. The high earners who are often mobile will leave the UK.

menopausequeen · 11/06/2026 20:53

PropertyD · 11/06/2026 20:30

I agree the Triple Lock should go too

Why penalise people who have paid national insurance? It’s just attacking anyone who has contributed.
Working people need to be rewarded and those making a life out of benefits need to be stopped and that money used to defend us and improve our health care.
Its no longer sustainable to keep taking from the ever reducing number of people who people up, or have propped up, society.

Noras · 11/06/2026 20:53

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 17:36

Taxation is low. It was 33% basic rate when I started work with 9% NI on top.

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The thresholds were higher so only a few paid higher rate tax and there was no highest rate tax which we now have at 45% plus a few decades ago you could drop unlimited amounts into your pension.

BruceGrobbelaar · 11/06/2026 20:52

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nearlylovemyusername · 11/06/2026 20:51

BIossomtoes · 11/06/2026 20:47

1p in the £

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ok, thank you.

so 1p in a £ does mean 1% of extra income tax. On the top of already high taxes on net contributors. And I'm sure you know that the amount spent on welfare has already exceeded all income tax taken.

So let's increase taxes even more.