Why would Reform voters accept that they will scrap the NHS?

I suspect Reform voters will assume they will get a low cost medical insurance that will never increase.
It will always be other people that won’t get it, or they will never be turned down for it after an illness.
The buyers remorse will be fast.
Of course there will be plenty of new businesses set up offering medical care, insurance, ditto pensions etc once they are removed too. Which is what Reform are interested in.

They favour an insurance based system to provide healthcare.
Not everyone will get medical insurance cover. They will be left to what is left of the NHS.
They have said something about a voucher system as well but not how much a voucher would be worth and whether it would cover whatever it is you are needing treatment for. Having a baby in intensive care ? A £50 voucher won’t go far.
In America medical costs are the single most reason people become bankrupt.

The NHS needs to changes. It does. But not in this way.
There will be people who cannot get insurance. Not unless they spend a small mortgage on it anyway.
The NHS was invented for a reason. Before it people died because they could not afford medical care. Going back to those days is not progress. It is backward.

I would rather pay like I do for the dentist

Because the NHS isn’t THAT great anymore? Because care is fucking shocking. Honestly, go and sit in my local inner city A and E when you’re in pain or scared and vulnerable. I would rather pay tbh.

Everyone is covered by the Swedish health insurance - you pay for it through the tax system

However - what may be less palatable in the UK is the co-pay system. It's not free at the point of use. So when you go to the doctors or A&E etc you pay a fee at reception although it is capped at £115 per year and after this it's free. So current charges are:
GP - £24
Hospital specialist - £36
A&E £40
Nurse, physio, OT, etc £20
Hospital inpatient £10 (per day)

Ambulance £24
Missed or late cancelled appointment (less than 24 hours) £36
Missed or late cancelled operation (less than 72 hours) £143
Medical equipment - crutches, toilet seat, walker, joint brace/sling £20 per item
Routine tests/xrays - £12

Same for medications - up to max £300 per year (this has shot up under the right wing government)

So an accident or illness can quickly add up - it was a shock to my UK sensibilities to come home after a life-changing accident and 11 days in hospital to a bill of almost £250

Not true. Most EU schemes have Government safeguards. Often the premiums are based on your age, not your conditions. Check out the Netherlands as an earlier poster said.

Do you think there is no one on dialysis in the EU? Of course people are not paying the true costs of the care they receive in all cases. It is not the American model.

No idea. I'll vote to protect the NHS to the exclusion of all other policies.

Although there are a few other Reform policies that put me off too.

The opposition would have to be far right and far left to make Reform the best of a really bad choice. However, I have hopes for Kemi B. She may continue to improve before 2029.

This policy might actually make me more likely to vote for a party (although not Reform in a million years).

The NHS is no longer sustainable or effective.

And you just watch illegal immigration dry up overnight the minute the NHS is no longer free at the point of need.

I think you are right. Do we continue with the unacceptable wait times and often poor levels of care because it's free or do we accept that we have to pay to get a better level of service.

It's well documented in studies of facism that people are not considering the impact on themselves so much as on The Other Group that they despise. Whatever their hated Other is, as long as they receive worse treatment.

Hence far right parties only ever campaign on negative platforms, with cuts, excursions, "the country has gone to shit", inciting violence and racism etc. It works. Bad news sells and travels fast.

The NHS is unaffordable and unfixable. It’s too big. It’s going to have to change and people will have to pay insurance.

I think this has been unofficially the policy for ages - erode it so that as many people as possible switch to private insurance to avoid the nightmare queues, then at the end push the remaining people over onto a private insurance model once everyone else has accepted it’s the only solution.

Look at what they’ve done with dental care; same model.

This . The NHS doesn’t work for anyone in any meaningful way and needs ripping up and starting again .

To be honest, I don't see the NHS as something we respect or treasure. We abuse it, complain about it, it's a bottomless money pit no matter how much money we throw at it. Staff morale is low, staff sickness high, resident doctors complain of low wages and long hours. Newly qualified doctors can't get jobs and are going abroad.

The NHS has never been fine, nor has it ever been managed properly. The best it's ever done is have reasonably short waiting list. Even then the care and outcomes have been worse than Europe.

What’s the ‘pretty undeniable truth’ you refer to in your OP?

What system are you thinking of regarding people with existing conditions? The US? The European models aren't based on systems where existing conditions preclude you from insurance

That's correct for the Netherlands. Everyone here must have basic health insurance, or you get fined. The insurance is the same cost for everyone and no one can be excluded. Children go free.

Pre existing conditions are covered in other systems. There are Government safety nets as a minimum. But choice of provider means facilities expand to meet demand and everyone gets more timely treatment. In the NHS you have to wait to be the sickest person to get say an operation. NHS plays Russian roulette with our health by keeping us waiting for basic care.

My work insurance covers pre existing conditions for me and my husband.

The other EU systems do not leave people uninsured. It is not failing NHS v American model. Once you have lived elsewhere even if only briefly you realise how the NHS rations care with queues which don't exist in better systems.

The NHS is damaged beyond repair and the sooner people stop pretending otherwise, the better off we will all be

Because they don’t care. They think it wouldn’t affect them when it would.