Why would Reform voters accept that they will scrap the NHS?

Yeah in a cost of living crisis let’s start charging people for basic medical care. Can’t see any problems with that!

I suspect most of the ‘NHS doesn’t work’ crowd you have no idea what it’s like to have a chronic (and in other countries expensive!) health problem and I hope for your sake that that remains the case.

spend some time of forums where type 1 diabetics or people with kidney problems in countries with insurance based systems (yes including Europe) talk about it and realise how incredibly lucky we are.

If we move to a private system it will be the exact same service but you have to pay.

the nhs isn’t failing is just propaganda. It’s once of the most efficient healthcare systems in the world. I think only Japan beat us.

Look at your local Gp or outpatient DNA rate and tell me people value this sainted service.

If people had to pay health outcomes would improve as it would add value. Host a party with drink supplied and see how many half empty glasses and cans at the end of the night. Ask people to bring their own and there less waste.

Have you lived in a country with US medical style system? I have.

In the US, my SIL had to pay thousands, just for an emergency broken arm.

In Switzerland I paid over £350 a month for the bare minimum insurance, where I had to get preauthorised phone permission regardless of the level of emergency. Couldn't be seen for minor appointments (ear infection etc).

If you've got a spare £6,000 a year for medical insurance, good for you. I don't.

What would you think of a system where NHS treatment never needs insurance, has some modest co-pays, but where there are incentives for people to use private healthcare.

Think of it like moving from a system where the whole country lives in state provided housing regardless of means or preferences, and at no rent, to a mixed housing market with a mix of private and social housing. The govt’s housing budget goes in those who most need it, not on everyone.

Unlike actual housing (which is supply-constrained for stupid reasons), healthcare becomes no longer scarce and rationed becuase new entrants come in to serve those who are able and willing to pay.

Not for private insurance healthcare they cannot. They may be covered for state care.
In the UK I would dread what that would look like here.

The more I hear on MN of the
"outrageous" things Reform would do, the more I find their policies appealing

The NHS is broken and needs reforming from top to bottom and if that means an implementation of partial private funding then bring it on. Seems to work perfectly well across Europe

Everyone can get insurance in the European models.

I don’t think it’s “beyond repair” but I do think that demographic trends coupled with our attitudes to tax mean that the NHS will get more and more fundamentally broken unless we look for a different model that brings in new sources of revenue and takes off demand.

Subsidising private health insurance and introducing co-pays is a move in the right direction.

@NEGUY82

Shilling but about the NHS isn’t going to work this time. It’s a shit tip and has been for longer than the 14yrs of conservative rule.

The more money you poor in the more money it wastes. As a pp said it’s not the American system or the NHS any anyone who thinks that or tells you that are just thick.
Seen as though that’s the word the left like to use so much about everyone else that’s guilty of wrong think.

He’s said a lot of things but the main model he’s pointed to in the past is the French one. That’s a social insurance model funded from payroll and general taxation, with co-pays.

Your attitude, strangely, is a very US one.

I spent time in the US during the Obamacare debate and it was the same tone: nothing can be changed, ours is the best system in the world, anyone wanting reform must have bad motive, etc.

@UniquePinkSwan I'm listening... which European model did you have in mind?

That is nonsense. Stop making things up about health systems you know nothing about.

Well yes, there will be something called the NHS so they can say it has remained. But only for people who cannot get health insurance.
It will not be anything even resembling what we have. It will be even worse.

Thats patently untrue.

But in European health systems that's not how it works. You're not making any sense.

It is not for me to come up with solutions on this thread! But I do believe where there is a will there is a way.
I would take the politics out of it for a start.
I have seen the NHS good and poor. It needs to change for sure. I said that. Removing it completely is not the answer.

Doesn't say anything about scrapping it in their manifesto... its found under protect the NHSon their website if you want a read 😂

I wonder what the health insurers would charge people once they know the NHS even with its faults has effectively gone ?

@Monty36

and the alternative? You’re more likely to die in England giving birth now than anywhere else in Europe. We really do need to stop evangelising the NHS. Unfortunately this country is full of entitled people who have abused it. It will certainly stop the GP Hobbyists im sure.

I got refused by mine because of my pre-existing conditions. That it's a group insurance makes it just as, if not more likely. There are going to be a lot of people in the same position.

They don't care. They are so focused on immigration that anything else is ignored.

This is simply not true.

https://www.bma.org.uk/bma-media-centre/gp-committee-for-england-vote-overwhelmingly-to-explore-an-alternative-strategy-for-general-practice