What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

Virtue signalling has gone mad in recent years.

There is a house in the next road which has had so many banners… Ukraine, BLM, Save the NHS, TransWomen are Women… and now they have a Vote Green banner! They must have a standing order for white sheets. They also have an ongoing plant sale at their front gate where the recipient of the sales regularly changes in line with banner…

They did kill him. Had they provided medical assistance as soon as they arrived. He may have survived.
Wrong. If I remember correctly, - Medical evidence said that there was excessive bleeding within his body.
That could not be treated however quickly an ambulance had been called. Judge pointed out that external blood would not be obvious, It was not in good lighting and he was wearing dark jacket.

I'm just about old enough to remember Tommie Smith and John Carlos at the Mexico Olympics in 1968. You want to see a brave act of 'symbolism', Lammy?

They didn't lose their medals - although there was was pressure for them to do so - but they and their families suffered ostracism and awful racist insults afterwards (kind of proving their point, really - good enough to collect the bling for the USA, but not good enough for full civil rights).

Those are human rights badges that all three medalists are wearing. Tommie Smith was insistent that it was a human rights protest above all else.

That's what Lammy needs to focus on. Equal human rights for all. No ifs, no buts. No preferential treatment. No ideological biases toward his pet demographic group of the week. And someone tell Amnesty. Equal human rights for all.

You sound charming

Lammy is a fucking idiot. Serious hard of thinking. I am sure he did well in some exams at some point but he is breathtakingly stupid. A national embarrassment.

He thinks a man can grow a cervix and said women hoard rights like "dinosaurs". What dinosaurs ever hoarded anything? Its dragons isn't it you moron, Dragons hoard gold. So he called women "dragons" which is very Les Dawson in 1985.

He also assaulted a French taxi driver and racially abused him. He was randomly carrying around a rolled up piece of art work worth millions at the time.

He is a manipulative careerist who would sell his mother for a promotion or enough cold hard cash🤑

Although I support the Black Lives Matter movement I always thought 'taking the knee' looked ridiculous and was more about people virtue signalling than anything genuine.

@AnonymityAnonymity But white people in this country have not faced the centuries of discrimination and institutional racism that people of colour have faced and still face in the US which led to the symbolic Taking the knee.

and neither have black people in the UK. The US is a deeply racist country, this country is not in the same ball park. It’s having our institutions make policy related to that murder that has led to this appalling outcome. George Floyd’s murder had fuck all to do with Britain and our politicians were pathetic.

Because it’s typical for some people to accuse others of an agenda where it’s just a different opinion. You don’t think you have an agenda for some reason, but it’s just as likely for anyone.

I'm not saying that it is the case, but if you are not the pp, then I'm not really sure as to how you can be confident that she has no agenda.

And yes, the inquest will no doubt investigate further, which is absolutely right. In the meantime, we only have the medical evidence that was presented in the court.

Why would that be the case, it’s not possible to n/c on a thread unless you’ve found a way to do it.

There has been question over whether he could have been saved from a trauma expert outside the court. Hopefully there will be more consideration at the inquest.

I think taking the knee was a response of a particular time and tragic murder. It lost its value over time.

No it doesn't.

I think Henry's death was appalling and needless and hopefully will lead to changes so something similar never happens again.

But white people in this country have not faced the centuries of discrimination and institutional racism that people of colour have faced and still face in the US which led to the symbolic Taking the knee.

It would not be appropriate to Take the knee for Henry, particularly given the way his death has been seized on by certain political figures to stoke up racial tensions.

She is posting information which directly contradicts the specialist medical evidence given in court.

Would you not agree that misinformation (or disinformation) needs to be corrected?

As for whether the pp has an agenda - how can you possibly know? Unless you are the same person posting from a separate account?

A police force in a different country with very different issues. I imagine quite a lot of men around the world get killed by police.

Take a knee? Ffs, are we in some medieval reenactment? It was absurd then and it's absurd now.

Still, that doesn't excuse the hypocrisy from Lammy. Not that I'm particularly surprised tbh. It's remarkable how concerns about racial injustice often seem to flow in only one direction. Either equality matters for everyone, or it's just selective outrage.

She doesn’t have an agenda. No more than anyone else posting. Your opinions are political too.

He was murdered. Are you suggesting that it was his fault? That his killing was in any way justifiable?

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Not according to the medical evidence given in court, but don't let the facts get in the way of your political agenda.

He was a hardened criminal whose own actions also contributed to his death.

What I find weirder is that politicians don’t want other countries politicians commenting or getting involved now. But they took the knee for a murder that happened in the US?

I do think there was a collective madness during Covid and people lost a sense of proportionality. Gestures are meaningless without action

They did kill him. Had they provided medical assistance as soon as they arrived. He may have survived.

Sounds like the typical muddled thinking that characterises David Lammy.

Nothing surprised me by his comments, he is part of the establishment that can't comprehend why people are angry.

This in a nutshell