What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

Of course not. I’m not saying George Floyd’s death was not horrific and unjust.
Both deaths deserve condemnation.
But George Floyd was a criminal and Henry was an 18 year old boy who hadn't been in trouble with the law ( more similar to Stephen Lawrence maybe?) .

The two situations are not the same. I’m agreeing with you.

I’m not sure innocence or not makes a difference - nobody should meet their end whilst being detained by/in the care of police officers

This 100%.
I knew very normal people who stood on their doorsteps cheering every week.
Collective madness.

@Bromptotoo , I see; so baseless then. How broad minded of you.

Does he think these cervixes form inside the prostate gland? The base of the penis? I mean, just where does he imagine all this stem cell activity miraculously happens?

I'm no fan of Starmer and Ginge, i think they are a pair of grifters but I actually feel embarrassed for them. What were they thinking? Along with all those high ranking polis who did the same. Oh and the premiership footballers of course .
It was utterly cringe worthy 🤨😬

It was bloody embarrasssing at the time. Now, it's gone past 11 on the Dobly stereo dial of cringe.

David Lammy should stick to what he knows, like men taking hormones to grow a cervix 😆🤣

Good on her, she’s been great. That image of Rayner and Starmer on the knee hasn’t aged well.

I wouldn’t either. It’s performative and silly.

Taking the knee to show solidarity for BLM after the death of George Floyd was very much of its time. It is totally inappropriate and unnecessary now.

In fact asking this undermines the whole fiasco of Henry Novak’s death which was ultimately about poor training, lack of empathy, thick coppers and incompetence.

There is a debate to be had in this country about the influence and unintended consequences of over zealous EDI. I’d rather David Lammy be pilloried for calling women dinosaurs when they say no to men in their single sex spaces. I’d like to see him get on both knees and beg forgiveness to woman who was raped and then gaslighted on an NHS ward because she was told ‘there were no men on the ward’.

Such is the widespread damage and devastation caused by wholesale indoctrination of woke EDI do-goodery instead of proper standards and common sense.

Kind of doesn’t help that they handcuffed a dying man though and refused to believe he’d been stabbed.

Taking the knee was fashionable for a time for people who like to be performative.

It’s no longer fashionable so Lammy feels no need to do it … nothing to do with Covid.

If other political leaders were taking the knee on this occasion, he would be doing it too - the hypocrite.

George Floyd was a man who had been in prison many times. He held a woman hostage and held a gun to her and unborn child. He didn’t deserve to die in my opinion but I don’t know why anyone would take the knee for him I feel very sad about Henry and his family

There are doctors disputing this 😔

Hopefully the inquest will be thorough, but not sure how they can confidently say in court his injuries were not survivable, when an inquest is required because the full details ‘have not been fully scrutinised’

If I heard that emanating from my TV tonight on Channel 4 news (other outlets are available 🙂) I would stand up in my own front room and salute! This country is crying out for someone who has the balls to say it like it is and not give a flying fuck how any particular sentence they might omit from their gobs will play out with X demographic or Y focus group. I honestly think there would be street parties if we managed to find such a politician and install him/her into No.10.

Jonathan Hinder, MP for Pendle, gave a good indication that he might, with a few more years experience, be that man when he called out his fellow Labour MPs for being so pathetic about the trans issue.

There was all that dreadful Antifa business too, which some people were keen to import here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyv2ddgpn8qo#:~:text=The%20coroner%20said%3A%20%22The%20issue,of%2021%20years%20on%20Monday.

An inquest jury will consider whether "any act or omission by police officers" or delay in treatment caused or contributed to the death of Henry Nowak.

Resuming a hearing, Hampshire coroner Jason Pegg said the full circumstances surrounding the death on 3 December had not been fully scrutinised.

The Tories didn't kneel.

Gut feeling!!

Thank you for noticing 😊

Yes - and the third man on the podium (Australian) was ostracised for his support of the act. The reaction to it is thankfully something most people today would be baffled by

as with taking the knee, the bravery is not shown by those who have jumped on a band wagon.

@Bromptotoo , what leads you to believe that the suggestion of taking the knee for Henry Nowak is not made in good faith?

I’d actually respect him and anyone else who actually had the balls to say this. It would IMHO be fine to say: “we foolishly got caught up in a movement that, in hindsight, had bugger all to do with the UK, its institutions or its policing. We should have known better and, today, I’d like to think we have moved beyond ill thought out performative gestures when what we need is to root out any and all policy initiatives and ideological influences that undermine the impartiality and efficacy of the institutions we rely on to protect us and uphold the law. We need to make sure that what happened to this young man never happens again.”