What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

So you're so sure that you're certain the note was a fake?

Oh give over.

Before this he was arrested and convicted 8 times for armed robbery and drug charges. One of which he dressed up as a utilities service worker to gain access to a pregnant woman’s property.

Let’s not continue to give Hero status and “oh he was a changed man he didn’t deserve to die” on this fentanyl addicts name.

The counterfeit money was the straw that broke the camels back.

Agree, police backing off from stop and search has actually harmed the black community. Some black commentators are onto this and it's good to hear their voices.

Sadly the left only care when there is a "victim of oppression".
So a white man stabbing a black person with racist motives gets headlines. The police killing a black person regardless of the circumstances gets headlines.

A black person killing another black person then no one seems to care- except of course the grieving mother and family who in many respects are more concerned about losing a child, brother,father, friend than exactly how they died.

Yes, but they treated Henry abominably while he was dying, to the extent that it's inevitable that people will wonder if that treatment contributed to his death.

And it happened in the UK, not in another country thousands of miles away.

In London, historical Metropolitan Police data cited by government reviews found that in 2017 about 50% of knife crime offenders and 50% of knife crime victims were from Black, Asian and minority ethnic (BAME) groups combined. For knife crime with injury, 69% of offenders and 55% of victims were BAME.

Also most knife crime in the UK involves people of the same broad ethnic group, because violent crime generally occurs among people who live in the same communities and social networks.

In short black people are statistically over represented in knife crime both as perpetrators and as victims.

I support anything that gets knives off the streets from heavy sentences, new legislation, to stop and search which helps stop perpetrators and saves potential victims. I know many people object to "racially profiled stop and search "
but to very blunt the hassle of being stopped and searched as a young black boy is nothing compared to the trauma of a black mother grieving over her dead son.

Yes, the assumption of guilt towards Henry Novak; changing the head teacher's assessment of the Southport killer because of 'racial profiling'; releasing Nottingham killer back into the community because a report said too many black males were being sectioned; security guard fails to stop Manchester Arena bomber because he doesn't want to appear racist. That's on top of the authorities turning a blind eye to the grooming gangs in dozens of towns and cities across the UK.

A pattern is emerging and it doesn't help anyone.

Strange isnt it how we don't hear much noise when black on black murders take place, isnt it 🤔

Yes, they couldn't do better if they tried, if civil disorder is their aim.

They did take the knee for Floyd, yes.
Specifically on the day of his funeral.

He was a recovering drug addict.

I thought he had fentanyl in his system when he died (presumably you’re talking about George Floyd?)

He was a recovering drug addict.

The police action that lead to his death followed an allegation of passing a counterfeit bank note.

I've worked in a cash handling environment and accepted what the bank returned as a counterfeit £20 note. I doubt the guy who passed it had a printing press in his cellar.

Did they take the knee for Floyd?

I think there was a question about race and police that long predated his murder.

That’s one difference, yes.

Another is that Floyd was the worst of humanity arrested for yet more criminality whereas Henry Nowak was entirely innocent.

It’s as valid to concentrate on this factor as any other. The beatification of Floyd was always problematic.

I think politicians like Lammy are wildly naive to have taken the knee for George Floyd but make a point to refuse for Nowak.
At this point, I’m starting to think they are purposely engineering civil unrest.

The point is that the police actually murdered Floyd. They did not murder Novak.

David Lammy thinks that men have ovaries, just ignore.

Yes to this. And it is bigger than this still as seen in the press conference today re Nottingham. It’s the kind of failings that are now pervasive across institutions and services.

Yes, but for me it's the officer's training that's in the wrong, as much as the officers themselves. I'd rather see their race action plans being reviewed than see a couple of lowly plods thrown under the bus. They need to police without fear or favour.

I agree. They are jumping on any plausible argument to protect the police officers in question.

I understand it is very hard to be a police officer and difficult to recruit when officers on the beat making the wrong judgement call then have to face possible accusations of being causative in someone’s death.

But that doesn’t mean I’m going to hear a court case clear police officers of wrongdoing and assume it is always correct. There are many many medical experts or even doctors who make mistakes and get it wrong, the expert in this case could be among them.

100% this. He would be taking the knee if enough other politicians did it.

He was doing it both for the initial cause AND because it was fashionable. He would be doing it again if it were fashionable again.

He definitely was not doing it to bravely make a stand, as it is not remotely brave, zero bravery required, if everyone else is doing it and doing it means you escape scrutiny whereas not doing it would mean hard questions and going against the grain.

Quite clear to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that the post does not say his killing was justified, just that his criminality placed him in that situation. The police's actions made a saint from a sinner.

He was asked why did he take the knee for George Floyd, and he said it was different then because we were in a pandemic.

I think we all know the difference! It was always a stupid gesture, especially as it referred to an event in another country but it gave the extremists yet another excuse to throw their accusations about if one didn't allow oneself to be bullied into it.

The inquiry will still look at this. Look at what had been said today by the Nottingham parents and families. Systemic failure.

The internal injuries through which he bled to death could not have been accessed treated even if paramedics had been on the scene immediately.

Why do you think you know better than the medics who gave evidence at trial?