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What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

189 replies

ForSnappySwan · 05/06/2026 12:29

David Lammy has said he wouldn't take the knee for Nowak as it's just symbolism.

He was asked why did he take the knee for George Floyd, and he said it was different then because we were in a pandemic.

What do you think? I think he's right about the first point but don't understand what the knee has got to do with the pandemic.

There was another Labour MP on Newsnight this week who's clearly embarrassed that she took the knee and said something like "it was right then but that's in the past now and we shouldn't go back to it"

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YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 22:15

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 20:00

Yes, it was. But the upsurge in knife crime where black youth have featured disproportionately as perpetrators and victims, has been an unintended consequence.

Unintended but absolutely predictable, and predicted.

Smeuse · 08/06/2026 22:02

You can't be serious

The Nazis didn't hate capitalism, they loved it. They were big fans of private property and free competition

They certainly didn't support unions or workers rights,

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 22:00

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 21:52

Well the the Nazi 25-point program (of 1920) promised wealth redistribution, profit-sharing in heavy industries, and the nationalization of trusts.

A key difference between the communists and Nazis was that the communists took over businesses and industries and then shot the owners. Whereas instead of abolishing private property, the Nazis imposed state control over the means of production , with the owners either agreeing or being shot.

Businesses remained privately owned but were heavily regulated, and owners were compelled to operate in the interests of the Nazi State (or be shot).

The Nazis regime also implemented massive public works programs (such as the Autobahn) and established state-run leisure and benefit organizations to ensure worker loyalty and morale.

So in terms of economic policies the Nazis were most definitely left wing.

Interesting. Yes, fascism definitely includes some socialist elements. Nazi = NSDAP = National Socialist German Workers Party.

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 21:52

Smeuse · 08/06/2026 19:51

You do know that the Nazis weren't socialists?

Well the the Nazi 25-point program (of 1920) promised wealth redistribution, profit-sharing in heavy industries, and the nationalization of trusts.

A key difference between the communists and Nazis was that the communists took over businesses and industries and then shot the owners. Whereas instead of abolishing private property, the Nazis imposed state control over the means of production , with the owners either agreeing or being shot.

Businesses remained privately owned but were heavily regulated, and owners were compelled to operate in the interests of the Nazi State (or be shot).

The Nazis regime also implemented massive public works programs (such as the Autobahn) and established state-run leisure and benefit organizations to ensure worker loyalty and morale.

So in terms of economic policies the Nazis were most definitely left wing.

Charley50 · 08/06/2026 20:05

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 20:00

Yes, it was. But the upsurge in knife crime where black youth have featured disproportionately as perpetrators and victims, has been an unintended consequence.

People were saying ‘white lefties’ led this. I was disagreeing with that opinion.

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 20:00

Charley50 · 08/06/2026 19:32

I thought the beef with Stop and Search was led by Black organisations? I’ve always wondered why we rarely see black parents of victims of black on black crime publicly condoning stop and search as a way to prevent more deaths. Maybe it’s similar to the ‘don’t look back in anger’ narrative that our government and media love to push.

Yes, it was. But the upsurge in knife crime where black youth have featured disproportionately as perpetrators and victims, has been an unintended consequence.

Marmalademorning · 08/06/2026 19:56

TheTealHiker · 08/06/2026 19:14

Exactly.

Why get bothered about the opinion of some eejit who thinks women can grow a cervix ?🙄

Yep, move along, nothing to see here 🙄

Smeuse · 08/06/2026 19:51

You do know that the Nazis weren't socialists?

Marmalademorning · 08/06/2026 19:51

I disagree with Lammy. But not at all surprised by his gutless (and predictable) response. Pandemic indeed. What a load of bollocks.

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 19:47

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 08/06/2026 18:48

White liberals will often let their mask drop when faced with a black person who has conservative views.
They hate when the people they view as beneath them (black/ poor/ immigrants) have the temerity to disagree with them about their own experiences.

And the mask slips further when the lefty liberals respond with racist insults inferring that the right wing black person is not authentically black. As if your skin colour somehow should dictate your political views.

It's worth noting that the Communists and National Socialists (Nazis) both hated capitalism. The key difference was that the communists divided society by class whereas the Nazis divided society by race.

Sadly it seems that some people still wish to compartmentalise society by race (especially where they are "victims") rather than a society where your skin colour is irrelevant and what matters more is your content of character and achievements.

YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 19:47

Bromptotoo · 08/06/2026 17:45

So you're so sure that you're certain the note was a fake?

Why do you suspect that a repeated criminal was falsely accused?

You’re lying about him being a recovering addict, lying about not knowing HK politicians knelt in his honour, and now working to pretend he was not being arrested for yet another crime.

Why? Why this dishonesty to defend scum?

YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 19:44

Barbadossunset · 08/06/2026 19:40

@Bromptotoo why did you think Floyd was a recovering addict?

Or pretend she didn’t know about UK politicians taking the knee to honour a drug addict career criminal who hated women…

YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 19:42

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 17:24

Sadly the left only care when there is a "victim of oppression".
So a white man stabbing a black person with racist motives gets headlines. The police killing a black person regardless of the circumstances gets headlines.

A black person killing another black person then no one seems to care- except of course the grieving mother and family who in many respects are more concerned about losing a child, brother,father, friend than exactly how they died.

The shooting of Sasha Johnson comes to mind.

Barbadossunset · 08/06/2026 19:40

@Bromptotoo why did you think Floyd was a recovering addict?

YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 19:38

Barbadossunset · 08/06/2026 16:23

He was a recovering drug addict.

I thought he had fentanyl in his system when he died (presumably you’re talking about George Floyd?)

He did, and a long history of violent crime.

It was wrong he was killed, but the world is better without him in it.

YesAndThenAgainNo · 08/06/2026 19:37

Bromptotoo · 08/06/2026 16:21

He was a recovering drug addict.

The police action that lead to his death followed an allegation of passing a counterfeit bank note.

I've worked in a cash handling environment and accepted what the bank returned as a counterfeit £20 note. I doubt the guy who passed it had a printing press in his cellar.

Recovering? He had a dose of fentanyl in his system when he died.

The lies people are telling to downplay what a violent, misogynistic feral bastard he was…

Charley50 · 08/06/2026 19:32

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 18:44

But the white lefty liberals are against profiled stop and search because well it's "racist" or "discriminatory ".

Ignoring the reality that 50% of knife crime perpetrators and not really giving a crap that 50% of knife crime victims are black.

Fortunately the black community is waking up to the fact that the white lefty liberals are not their allies and only want to use them to further their "victim hood " agenda.

I thought the beef with Stop and Search was led by Black organisations? I’ve always wondered why we rarely see black parents of victims of black on black crime publicly condoning stop and search as a way to prevent more deaths. Maybe it’s similar to the ‘don’t look back in anger’ narrative that our government and media love to push.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 08/06/2026 19:17

TheTealHiker · 08/06/2026 19:14

Exactly.

Why get bothered about the opinion of some eejit who thinks women can grow a cervix ?🙄

There is this.

TheTealHiker · 08/06/2026 19:14

mumumental · 07/06/2026 18:09

I think there are far bigger issues to discuss.

Exactly.

Why get bothered about the opinion of some eejit who thinks women can grow a cervix ?🙄

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 19:07

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 08/06/2026 18:48

White liberals will often let their mask drop when faced with a black person who has conservative views.
They hate when the people they view as beneath them (black/ poor/ immigrants) have the temerity to disagree with them about their own experiences.

Agree 100% - when a black commentator has a different point of view, the liberal-leftists can't cope as it upends their lazy assumptions.

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 19:02

BeigeandGreige · 08/06/2026 17:38

Oh give over.

Before this he was arrested and convicted 8 times for armed robbery and drug charges. One of which he dressed up as a utilities service worker to gain access to a pregnant woman’s property.

Let’s not continue to give Hero status and “oh he was a changed man he didn’t deserve to die” on this fentanyl addicts name.

The counterfeit money was the straw that broke the camels back.

Agree, George Floyd was a thoroughly unpleasant criminal who preyed on his own community. It's mad that this fentenyl-addicted predator was elevated to hero status.

Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim · 08/06/2026 18:48

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 18:44

But the white lefty liberals are against profiled stop and search because well it's "racist" or "discriminatory ".

Ignoring the reality that 50% of knife crime perpetrators and not really giving a crap that 50% of knife crime victims are black.

Fortunately the black community is waking up to the fact that the white lefty liberals are not their allies and only want to use them to further their "victim hood " agenda.

White liberals will often let their mask drop when faced with a black person who has conservative views.
They hate when the people they view as beneath them (black/ poor/ immigrants) have the temerity to disagree with them about their own experiences.

1dayatatime · 08/06/2026 18:44

5MinuteArgument · 08/06/2026 17:28

Agree, police backing off from stop and search has actually harmed the black community. Some black commentators are onto this and it's good to hear their voices.

But the white lefty liberals are against profiled stop and search because well it's "racist" or "discriminatory ".

Ignoring the reality that 50% of knife crime perpetrators and not really giving a crap that 50% of knife crime victims are black.

Fortunately the black community is waking up to the fact that the white lefty liberals are not their allies and only want to use them to further their "victim hood " agenda.

Bromptotoo · 08/06/2026 18:38

Barbadossunset · 08/06/2026 18:01

@Bromptotoo what note?

Edited

Keep up!!

Loyd was suspected of passing a counterfiet banknote.

Barbadossunset · 08/06/2026 18:01

@Bromptotoo what note?