What do you think of Lammy's comments on taking the knee?

So do I ... if his behaviour was being discussed in Relationships, Mumsnetters would be saying "throw that one back".

I think Lammy is the idiot that a village has mislaid.

I'm cautious of the anti semitic cull of anyone who dares to speak out against Israel. I'm not saying Jewish people should be held responsible for the actions of Israel but I stand firm that Israel and all those that support the regime that has seem countless civilians being killed are wrong and they should face a full criminal inquiry.

I'm.not going to get drawn into anti semitic or anti Islam, my view is killing civilians to achieve a military objective should be avoided at all cost. I from what I've read and what I've seen there was been no regards for civilian safety.

As for Lammy, I think he simply doesn't have the intelligence for the job. He might be very good at representing his constituency but he's an appalling choice for that job. I say the same thing about Milliband, he's bright and has good intentions but he has no real industry experience in what he's trying to achieve. I strongly believe we should promote green initiatives because I want clean air but I strongly disagree with how's it's being implemented.

When Jewish people asked him to speak out against the hate they were experiencing post the pogrom his response was to be photographed grinning in a Palestinian restaurant.

No one should have taken the knee for anyone. And laws should apply to everyone regardless of religion. Carrying a knife is illegal regardless of religious beliefs.

Lammy is a bloody fool and shouldn't be anywhere near the cabinet. Labour had an amazing chance to form a government but instead they put together a gang of idiots to run the country.

Milliband and, Lammy two of the ones that should have not been allowed anywhere near power. Bloody fools.

As a labour voter I'm dismayed at the quality of people that we have.

Any Burnham was in my opinion the top choice for leader, how we ended up with Starmer I will never know but compared to Milliband I think he was the best option.

If we ever do what other countries have and stop deaths at sea we’ll probably look back similarly.

Yes, I agree, the whole BLM and taking the knee was a collective madness and people felt pressured to do it in case they got called racist. It was peak craziness and I'm glad it's been discredited.

Yes, agreed. This kind of dismissal of other people's unpleasant experiences is annoying and unfair.

He's struggling with cognitive dissonance - he's not very bright it's easy to be a campaigner, far harder to be an effective minister and he's been demoted already.

the George Floyd killing took place at a time when transgender support was very loud and LGBT+++ supporters were marching - people were being no platformed and lecturers etc were being sacked for being transphobic. Politicians were scared of the Twitter mob and jumped on the safest bandwagon and took the knee.
Ridiculous - and demonstrates how feeble our leaders are

i think that footballers took the knee as there are so many black players

Yes, I understand that you were walking in an area where someone had their phone stolen.

But do you LIVE in an area where this is a commonplace occurance? It's the people at the bottom of the pile that are really paying the price for govt policy of mass immigration and massive societal change. It's being subjected to this every day that sours one's outlook on the multicultural experiment.

You do know that an area becoming less safe doesn't mean a person will have something stolen or encounter something unpleasant every single time they are in the area? It sounds like you are discounting others experiences just because it luckily wasn't your experience on a particular night.

No, as I said. I was walking in an area where a friend had his phone stolen by a gang.

I expect you live in a nice area where you're largely insulated from the kinds of things people are talking about on this thread.

Last night, dressed up and in heels, alone in London on my way home from an evening event,
walking and then on public transport, I, white, middle age and middle class, potentially vulnerable, had three separate encounters with men from a different race from me. One the same age and two younger, Each of the encounters involved one of us performing a small kindness or courtesy to the other and each time, we parted with a smile and thanks.

It’s not that broken. Funnily enough, a friend’s son had had his mobile stolen from the same place so I was watching my possessions carefully. But all I experienced was… considerate people.

Agreed. The likes of Khan, Starmer, Rayner and all the rest of them turning a violent predator like George Floyd into a hero and martyr just shows how detached they are from reality.

They want to pretend that London and Britain are successfully multicultural. But now the cracks are starting to show. It's ordinary people who are paying the price and telling people to shut up won't wash any more.

I wonder if @Bromptotoo would have been happy to have had George Floyd living next door to them? Living in a flat/apartment adjacent to their dcs? He was someone who shouldn’t have been out and about at all. Holding a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach (among other things) clearly makes him a fine fellow in some posters’ opinions.

Exactly, he can speak all he wants. It's just propaganda.

Like in East Germany when state tv was made to give good weather forecasts to boost attendance for state events.
I’m on a London Nextdoor app and every day there are posts about people being mugged, their cars stolen, their parcels stolen, their houses burgled.
All over London phones are snatched by theIr thousands, wallets pickpocketed, bags grabbed.
Yet Khan claims London is safe.

Exactly, he can speak all he wants. It's just propaganda. Meanwhile he's presiding over our capital city where knife crime is far too high.

Yes, the Nazis rounded up Socialists, trade unionists and Communists and put them in concentration camps. They were among the first to go, along with the disabled.

That doesn't rule out that their economic agenda included some socialist elements. A big part of their rise to power was that they appealed to many different groups of people.

And has done what in his 10 years to combat it?

This sort of jargon makes me despair honestly. The only people I know in real life who rant on like this are people who spend too much time on the Internet and not enough time engaging with people in real life.

It's a really sad sign of the times.

Sadiq Khan is part of 'the left' that this poster is talking about, I'm not sure that anyone can argue that he doesn't care. Sadiq Khan has spoken repeatedly and publicly about the disproportionate impact of serious violence on Black Londoners, especially young Black men.

Do you know what the Nazis did with socialists?

My opinions are formed by history records/books.

A quote from Hitler in ha 1932 address outlining his economic views:
"I am a socialist because it seems incomprehensible to me to care for and treat a machine with care, but to allow the noblest representative of work, man himself, to degenerate".

From a conversation with Benito Mussolini on April 22, 1944:
"Capitalism too had run its course, the nations were no longer willing to stand for it".

I don't know what you are basing your opinions on but economically Hitler and the Nazis we're most definitely left wing.

Couldn't care less. Has he grown a cervix yet?