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Nicola Sturgeon living in England

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TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 14:52

Is she claiming asylum? She must now realise what a great country England is after spending all those years trying to destroy the country. She is most welcome to pop rounds for a cuppa and a natter.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 06/06/2026 14:32

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 14:01

No. We didn't want a hard border but were threatened with it by the UK govt. Half my family live in England. Nicola's granny was English. Independence was never about the "English", it was about the Scottish.

We have more that unites us than divides us and that would still be true if we governed our own affairs.

Look at Ireland. An independent country but who doesn't love them? Their writers etc. Their whole personality.

If Scottish people want Indy, Welsh people want Indy and NI people want Indy, then it's not because no one likes the English.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

It wasn’t a threat. It was pointing out the reality of the situation. There would have to be a hard border Even the SNP admit there would be a hard border. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/john-swinney-admits-hard-border-36032850.amp

John Swinney admits hard border if Scotland leaves the UK

It will become more difficult to trade between England and Scotland if the SNP succeed in their bid to break up the UK, with custom checks put in place.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/john-swinney-admits-hard-border-36032850.amp

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 14:31

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 14:17

OK thanks. I'm remembering a bit more now, it was 12 years ago, about the border. Wasn't this to do with the EU - even though we hadn't had that referendum yet. I remember Nicola saying they would rejoin if Scotland got independence but this must have been after we left?

It was during the referendum (INDY). The UK one was after the Indy one and we voted remain. We knew it was coming though so it was mentioned. We had to leave anyway. Even though we wanted to stay in.

BoredZelda · 06/06/2026 14:28

SocialistMummy · 31/05/2026 15:10

She joins the likes of Sean Connery, Alan Cumming, Irvine Welsh, Brian Cox and Martin Compston - all Scottish independence campaigners but none of them actually live in Scotland

I have a lot of friends who are vehement supporters of SNP and independence, but they live all over the world. Their view is skewed by a very nostalgic memory of what they remember the Country to have been 30 years ago, and what they experience for the couple of weeks a year they visit. I have debated the Indy issue with them dozens of times and what they fail to understand is just how badly run our country is and what a failure SNP have been. They take the “it’s doing better than England” view when I point out things like our woeful NHS waiting lists and failing education system. Then they insist Scotland could do more if they were independent. I’m not sure how they think we could do more with less money.

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 06/06/2026 14:25

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 14:01

No. We didn't want a hard border but were threatened with it by the UK govt. Half my family live in England. Nicola's granny was English. Independence was never about the "English", it was about the Scottish.

We have more that unites us than divides us and that would still be true if we governed our own affairs.

Look at Ireland. An independent country but who doesn't love them? Their writers etc. Their whole personality.

If Scottish people want Indy, Welsh people want Indy and NI people want Indy, then it's not because no one likes the English.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

So the exact same reason that most people voted for Brexit, then?

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 06/06/2026 14:24

LlynTegid · 06/06/2026 13:31

The UK is not a country, it is a union of countries, what Theresa May termed a 'precious union'.

I expect if the Scottish people had voted for independence a common travel area would have been agreed in any case.

In any case, whilst the union continues, no reason why someone born in Scotland cannot live in England or Wales or Northern Ireland if they wish. Of much more concern is her allegedly knowing nothing about her former husband's criminal activities.

So is the USA not a country either, but just a union of 50 separate states?

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 14:17

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 14:01

No. We didn't want a hard border but were threatened with it by the UK govt. Half my family live in England. Nicola's granny was English. Independence was never about the "English", it was about the Scottish.

We have more that unites us than divides us and that would still be true if we governed our own affairs.

Look at Ireland. An independent country but who doesn't love them? Their writers etc. Their whole personality.

If Scottish people want Indy, Welsh people want Indy and NI people want Indy, then it's not because no one likes the English.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

OK thanks. I'm remembering a bit more now, it was 12 years ago, about the border. Wasn't this to do with the EU - even though we hadn't had that referendum yet. I remember Nicola saying they would rejoin if Scotland got independence but this must have been after we left?

Seymour5 · 06/06/2026 14:07

LlynTegid · 06/06/2026 13:31

The UK is not a country, it is a union of countries, what Theresa May termed a 'precious union'.

I expect if the Scottish people had voted for independence a common travel area would have been agreed in any case.

In any case, whilst the union continues, no reason why someone born in Scotland cannot live in England or Wales or Northern Ireland if they wish. Of much more concern is her allegedly knowing nothing about her former husband's criminal activities.

Lots of us do. I’ve lived in England now almost 3/4 of my life, after being born and growing up in Scotland. Did my DNA and found my Scottish heritage not to be as much as I had expected. Just over 60%. A bit I assumed would be Irish, from a grandmother born in Dublin, whose father was also from Dublin, turned out to be English. There was Irish on the side I thought was just Scots, and a smattering of Scandinavian. I think very few of us in the UK will turn out to be 100% one ethnicity.

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 14:01

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:39

The sentence that starts: I had, perhaps wrongly, assumed ....

I have allowed for being wrong ... and it may sound a bit sarcastic. So I'm sorry and I do want to know, please.

No. We didn't want a hard border but were threatened with it by the UK govt. Half my family live in England. Nicola's granny was English. Independence was never about the "English", it was about the Scottish.

We have more that unites us than divides us and that would still be true if we governed our own affairs.

Look at Ireland. An independent country but who doesn't love them? Their writers etc. Their whole personality.

If Scottish people want Indy, Welsh people want Indy and NI people want Indy, then it's not because no one likes the English.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:39

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 13:34

I could give you it but won't due entirely to your last sentence in your post.

The sentence that starts: I had, perhaps wrongly, assumed ....

I have allowed for being wrong ... and it may sound a bit sarcastic. So I'm sorry and I do want to know, please.

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 13:34

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:33

Yes, I understand that and she is entirely free to do so. Does anyone know the answer to my question, please?

I could give you it but won't due entirely to your last sentence in your post.

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:33

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 13:30

She's living down south temporarily to write. It's not a permanent move.

Yes, I understand that and she is entirely free to do so. Does anyone know the answer to my question, please?

LlynTegid · 06/06/2026 13:31

Tryanalogue · 05/06/2026 23:29

The actual “country” is the UK. There’s no reason she shouldn’t move southwards within the country she lives in.

There’s no confusion until someone brings in freedom/oppression/The Bruce/The Wallace/Bonnie Charlie, etc etc.

The UK is not a country, it is a union of countries, what Theresa May termed a 'precious union'.

I expect if the Scottish people had voted for independence a common travel area would have been agreed in any case.

In any case, whilst the union continues, no reason why someone born in Scotland cannot live in England or Wales or Northern Ireland if they wish. Of much more concern is her allegedly knowing nothing about her former husband's criminal activities.

Differentforgirls · 06/06/2026 13:30

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:28

@AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle If Nicola had been successful in her (supposedly) passionate campaigning, her countryfolk would no longer have had the same option that she has just availed herself of: the automatic right to move to England, Wales or Northern Ireland with no restrictions, border controls or issues whatsoever.

Do we know this, please? Was the independence campaign that detailed and asking for a hard border. Surely not. I had, perhaps wrongly, assumed that Nicola would have always wanted to have her cake and eat it?

She's living down south temporarily to write. It's not a permanent move.

MulberryBrandy · 06/06/2026 13:28

@AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle If Nicola had been successful in her (supposedly) passionate campaigning, her countryfolk would no longer have had the same option that she has just availed herself of: the automatic right to move to England, Wales or Northern Ireland with no restrictions, border controls or issues whatsoever.

Do we know this, please? Was the independence campaign that detailed and asking for a hard border. Surely not. I had, perhaps wrongly, assumed that Nicola would have always wanted to have her cake and eat it?

Seymour5 · 06/06/2026 12:30

@AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle spot on!

Ophir · 06/06/2026 09:03

Yes, great summary

tryandbepositive · 06/06/2026 08:56

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 06/06/2026 00:22

So is Nicola telling us that she wants the UK to remain one country or that she wants Scotland to be a separate country and no longer part of the UK?

Either view is perfectly valid; but it's hypocritical in the extreme to expect the best of both worlds. It's like the head of PETA spending years vociferously campaigning for people to stop eating meat and then being seen enthusiastically tucking into a beef burger. Sure, they can insist that it's not illegal to eat meat, and that lots of people choose to do so; but it still blows a huge hole in everything they've ever publicly stood for.

If Nicola had been successful in her (supposedly) passionate campaigning, her countryfolk would no longer have had the same option that she has just availed herself of: the automatic right to move to England, Wales or Northern Ireland with no restrictions, border controls or issues whatsoever.

Perfectly summarised

AWeeCupOfTeaAndAnIndividualFruitTrifle · 06/06/2026 00:22

Tryanalogue · 05/06/2026 23:29

The actual “country” is the UK. There’s no reason she shouldn’t move southwards within the country she lives in.

There’s no confusion until someone brings in freedom/oppression/The Bruce/The Wallace/Bonnie Charlie, etc etc.

So is Nicola telling us that she wants the UK to remain one country or that she wants Scotland to be a separate country and no longer part of the UK?

Either view is perfectly valid; but it's hypocritical in the extreme to expect the best of both worlds. It's like the head of PETA spending years vociferously campaigning for people to stop eating meat and then being seen enthusiastically tucking into a beef burger. Sure, they can insist that it's not illegal to eat meat, and that lots of people choose to do so; but it still blows a huge hole in everything they've ever publicly stood for.

If Nicola had been successful in her (supposedly) passionate campaigning, her countryfolk would no longer have had the same option that she has just availed herself of: the automatic right to move to England, Wales or Northern Ireland with no restrictions, border controls or issues whatsoever.

Tryanalogue · 05/06/2026 23:29

The actual “country” is the UK. There’s no reason she shouldn’t move southwards within the country she lives in.

There’s no confusion until someone brings in freedom/oppression/The Bruce/The Wallace/Bonnie Charlie, etc etc.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 05/06/2026 23:11

mumumental · 03/06/2026 19:05

Well plenty of Brexiters live in Spain!

Well yes, and the same applies to them. Luckily, they are living with the consequences of their stupid actions (they've dragged everyone else down with them though unfortunately)

mumumental · 03/06/2026 19:05

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 31/05/2026 15:02

I think it's a bit off actually. If you want Independence for Scotland, invest in Scotland, pay taxes in Scotland and live with the consequences of your campaigning, good or bad. It's the same as people campaigning for Brexit while living in the Far East. Nothing to do with them as they don't have to live with the consequences.

Well plenty of Brexiters live in Spain!

OpheliaWasntMad · 03/06/2026 17:17

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 31/05/2026 15:02

I think it's a bit off actually. If you want Independence for Scotland, invest in Scotland, pay taxes in Scotland and live with the consequences of your campaigning, good or bad. It's the same as people campaigning for Brexit while living in the Far East. Nothing to do with them as they don't have to live with the consequences.

Yes - I agree .

Gwenhwyfar · 01/06/2026 17:31

"I think the person bringing bringing up Ireland and India was most likely an SNP supporter who wanted to talk about English people being racist, colonialist past, stealing water or unkind to animals blah blah blah, it’s basically their thing and all they ever want to talk about…"

I brought up Ireland and India. I'm not Scottish or an SNP supporter and never talk about those things on MN.

MrsHattie · 01/06/2026 12:00

Differentforgirls · 01/06/2026 11:57

At least it gave you something to do with your day! You can have the last word now xx

Thank you, good luck with your well thought out ethnic separatist movement. We’re all behind you.

MrsHattie · 01/06/2026 11:59

Differentforgirls · 01/06/2026 11:53

Lesson learned. Hopefully you now know that Scottish Independence isn't about you personally.

No, it’s about breaking free from colonial masters, being the richest country in the world (once the English people stop stealing), camper vans, £3k pepper pots and moving to England. Yes everyone is well aware.