Nicola Sturgeon living in England

It shows she thinks English rule is not that bad after all. In fact, she seems to prefer it compared to how Scotland is being ruled under the SNP.

I imagine she is paying less tax than she would be in Scotland, thanks to her tax policy. That must be a benefit to her.

I’ve seen this too. My ds is half English and the referendum time was horrible for him

"A hard border would be inevitable"

That's just no true. Northern Ireland and Ireland don't have a hard border (meaning you can still travel from the EU to a part of the UK without any checks even after Brexit). Norway and Sweden don't have a hard border even with one country being in the EU and the other not. It's not inevitable at all and unlikely imo.

They never answer any of these questions either

i think because they don’t understand them

will we get our own DVLA, Tax office, passport agency, etc? Who’s paying for this? How long will it take to set up?

Who's building and paying for the border? Will pension funds and mortgages move to sturgeons instead of pounds? Will you be able to choose?

We would need a cereal bank for ourvien currency and to meet standards for join the EU, which would be difficult for years

as with Brexit, I have to ask: what would be the benefit?

I’m sorry, but as an English person who lived in Scotland for 23 years I can very much tell you that independence supporters are anti English. The anti English comments only ever came from independence supporters, never from unionists. Furthermore, when I spoke about the anti English abuse I experienced, only unionists expressed condemnation of this. The independence supporters remained quiet and often smiled or smirked.

I’m sorry, but as an English person who lived in Scotland for 23 years I can very much tell you that independence supporters are anti English. The anti English comments only ever came from independence supporters, never from unionists. Furthermore, when I spoke about the anti English abuse I experienced, only unionists expressed condemnation of this. The independence supporters remained quiet and often smiled or smirked.

But that’s the whole point. We can’t exit the union and expect to get everything we want from it. There will have to be a deal done with people who don’t want us to leave. It isn’t a “threat” to have a hard border, it is the reality of two nations living next door to each other being able to control who comes into their country. If the Scottish immigration system was to allow pretty much anyone in, is it hard to understand why England would want some control?

Things like the currency is a particular issue. Will we have our own or will we be in a currency union with England? That means our economy being reliant on a strong GBP. How is that good for us? Do we expect England just to let us keep the same currency as them?

It took SNP 8 years and £685 million to implement 11 benefits, in a situation where UK Gov was collaborating with them to do it. Can you imagine the issues with setting up an entire civil system with and English government who has no interest in collaboration?

You cannot have a good divorce in an acrimonious split. The reality is, a lot of people will be a lot worse off for at least a generation. If we succeed there is no metric which says we will do any better than rUK. Is it really worth going through the unavoidable pain for no real gain?

Why shouldn't Scottish people who want independence not live in other countries?

Yes, I understand that and she is entirely free to do so. Does anyone know the answer to my question, please?

😂😂😂😂So you don’t read The National then?😂😂😂😂

I never have, and never will, click on a link from a comic.

It wasn’t a threat. It was pointing out the reality of the situation. There would have to be a hard border Even the SNP admit there would be a hard border. https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/john-swinney-admits-hard-border-36032850.amp

Approximately 20% of Americans support their state seceding from the US. States like California, who contribute more than they receive have a very strong secession movement.

The American civil war was based on exactly that. Foolish to think it will never raise its head again.

But that’s the whole point. We can’t exit the union and expect to get everything we want from it. There will have to be a deal done with people who don’t want us to leave. It isn’t a “threat” to have a hard border, it is the reality of two nations living next door to each other being able to control who comes into their country. If the Scottish immigration system was to allow pretty much anyone in, is it hard to understand why England would want some control?

Things like the currency is a particular issue. Will we have our own or will we be in a currency union with England? That means our economy being reliant on a strong GBP. How is that good for us? Do we expect England just to let us keep the same currency as them?

It took SNP 8 years and £685 million to implement 11 benefits, in a situation where UK Gov was collaborating with them to do it. Can you imagine the issues with setting up an entire civil system with and English government who has no interest in collaboration?

You cannot have a good divorce in an acrimonious split. The reality is, a lot of people will be a lot worse off for at least a generation. If we succeed there is no metric which says we will do any better than rUK. Is it really worth going through the unavoidable pain for no real gain?

Have any of the states wanted to leave?

No. We didn't want a hard border but were threatened with it by the UK govt. Half my family live in England. Nicola's granny was English. Independence was never about the "English", it was about the Scottish.

We have more that unites us than divides us and that would still be true if we governed our own affairs.

Look at Ireland. An independent country but who doesn't love them? Their writers etc. Their whole personality.

If Scottish people want Indy, Welsh people want Indy and NI people want Indy, then it's not because no one likes the English.

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

So is the USA not a country either, but just a union of 50 separate states?

It's because they want to run their own affairs. What's wrong with that? We'll still be pals.

So the exact same reason that most people voted for Brexit, then?

The UK is not a country, it is a union of countries, what Theresa May termed a 'precious union'.

I expect if the Scottish people had voted for independence a common travel area would have been agreed in any case.

In any case, whilst the union continues, no reason why someone born in Scotland cannot live in England or Wales or Northern Ireland if they wish. Of much more concern is her allegedly knowing nothing about her former husband's criminal activities.

I have a lot of friends who are vehement supporters of SNP and independence, but they live all over the world. Their view is skewed by a very nostalgic memory of what they remember the Country to have been 30 years ago, and what they experience for the couple of weeks a year they visit. I have debated the Indy issue with them dozens of times and what they fail to understand is just how badly run our country is and what a failure SNP have been. They take the “it’s doing better than England” view when I point out things like our woeful NHS waiting lists and failing education system. Then they insist Scotland could do more if they were independent. I’m not sure how they think we could do more with less money.