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Why do you think Andy Burnham would be a good Prime Minister?

110 replies

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 16/05/2026 14:51

Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 16/05/2026 09:48

At the end of the day the media will decide, just like the media has decided Keir Starmers fate. It's just so depressing that press barons still rule.

He's got more charisma is the only thing. You can't learn charisma.

We have the most principled Prime Minister since Gordon Brown, a man who genuinely wants to make a difference, and yet he's out because he hasn't got any charisma.

Exactly. I'm so sick of the fucking British media. Not sure really why we even bother voting.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:50

He’s 5’10 btw.

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CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:48

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

He looks like he has a medical condition.

What a bizarre way to follow your thoughtful and interesting earlier post!

incidentally, he was not a bit player in Westminster-he held several significant roles. And I am always wary when people use phrases like “the politics of envy” and “levelling down”. They usually mean “I will guard my privilege like Gollum”!

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upinaballoon · 16/05/2026 14:05

It's a serious question on a serious thread and also not very long to read, yet. If you kick me for sounding picky and pompous, well shucks, but I would like to say that it has been a pleasure to read posts where there are so may well-formed sentences and good punctuation and well-expressed ideas. I don't think there's been a 'gonna' yet.
There was a film 'Sneakers' ? in which was pointed out the power of the press. Build them up. Then knock them down. What larks.

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

He looks like he has a medical condition.

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:30

I don’t think Andy Burnham would make a good Prime Minister because I believe his politics lean too heavily towards redistribution and I am skeptical of the skills of expanded state intervention. Water companies anyone?, rather than focusing enough on long-term growth, productivity and wealth creation. I’m not anit intervention. Investment in healthcare, education, infrastructure and helping people become more productive members of society is important. A functioning society should support vulnerable people and create opportunities for those who can improve their situation.

He is more Left than Kier. I'm concerned about the focus on redistributing “existing wealth” without addressing the underlying issues limiting growth. Not all wealth creation is harmful. There is a major difference between productive businesses that create jobs and contribute to the economy, and large corporations using aggressive tax avoidance strategies or limiting/eliminating competition. There is also a difference between ordinary homeowners, ordinary workers and institutions holding vast property portfolios.

I hate that Labour often uses the politics of envy to get a green light to go after easier targets rather solving actual problems. I anticipate more of this with him. A lot of the language used around redistribution is framed in compassionate terms like “levelling up opportunity”, “supporting working people”, “fairness”, “bringing children out of poverty” or “making the wealthy pay their fair share”. Yet the language used to describe those paying the most for it can become dehumanising. Ordinary homeowners and people on relatively normal salaries who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions and bought a family home are increasingly described as “asset rich”, “the broadest shoulders”, “privileged” or “those with more”. That matters. There is a huge difference between someone owning one home on an ordinary salary and institutions or individuals holding massive property portfolios and generating wealth at an entirely different scale.

I support anyone who wants reduce poverty and increase opportunity, including building more homes and improving public services. But we should be focusing on growing the pie, not just redistributing thinner slices of the same small pie differently. Growth creates more jobs, more opportunities and ultimately more resources to support those who genuinely need help. We have a growing welfare state, slow / no growth, not enough homes , jobs or resources. So redistribution of an ever decreasing pie isn't going to solve the problem.

I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work...

He resigned from being a bit player in Westminster to become the “King of the North”, but as soon as there is even a hint of a path back to the top job, it suddenly becomes “nice knowing you Manchester, well hello London, all hail your new King of Westminster!" The presumption that the people of Makerfield, who only recently voted for their local representatives should simply accept a democratically elected MP stepping aside so Andy can pursue national power says a lot about how politics increasingly treats voters as feckless pawns. I , personally hope he gets his arse handed to him.

Threeslothsontheshirt · 16/05/2026 13:17

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

No! He looks tall. I like him ❤️

Iamstardust · 16/05/2026 12:46

Charisma is a highly desirable personality trait... for liars, grifters, cult leaders and con artists.

MarmiteRoasties · 16/05/2026 12:45

Threeslothsontheshirt · 16/05/2026 11:12

Yes because he’s tall

He’s really not! Having met him in person a few times, he’s surprisingly short but very charismatic

EarthlyNightshade · 16/05/2026 12:43

Regardless of how good he is, the press will come after him within a week because he will have done something sketchy (maybe very minor) that the people won't like.
They will then call for his resignation, someone else in the Labour party will fancy their chances, another leadership challenge will ensue and they will be forced to have a general election.
And that's when Five million Farage steps in.

SpottyAlpaca · 16/05/2026 12:39

Burnham has solid ministerial experience from his days in the last Labour government and, by all accounts, he has made a success of being mayor of Mancland. He showed real leadership over Hillsborough. He’s a very good communicator who ‘speaks human’ & gives more impression than many senior politicians of being in touch with the real world. On the other hand, he has zero experience of foreign affairs, an area in which even Starmer’s critics concede he has done an outstanding job.

Does any of this mean Burnham will be a success as PM if he gets that far? We don’t know. We never do until they actually start doing the job. One thing is certain, however. He will face exactly the same massive problems that Starmer & Sunak (both highly competent people) faced, and he doesn’t have a magic wand either.

ForPearlViper · 16/05/2026 12:31

I have a very intelligent, capable, no-nonsense friend who is very senior in the frontline NHS and has worked with many Health Secretaries. She rates Andy Burnham as one of the best she worked with on the basis that he worked extremely hard to understand his brief and all the conflicting issues facing the NHS. He listened first.

Appreciate others will not necessarily agree or have the same view but it does have the benefit of coming from someone who worked with him directly.

TheSassyPinkJoker · 16/05/2026 12:23

Won't forgive trying to make all of manchester a ULEZ

StudyinBlue · 16/05/2026 12:20

I live in Manchester and have met him. He just seems like a decent human who actually cares.

Puppylucky · 16/05/2026 12:11

What really annoys me about this whole mess is the latest faux naive media narrative around "why do people hate Starmer so much" when most of them have spent the past two years ensuring that all people are being fed is constant negativity and deeply personal attacks about the man!

C8H10N4O2 · 16/05/2026 12:05

Oh @CurlewKate you should know by now that every few years Labour is convinced that a white man in a suit will save us. Despite being soundly beaten in two previous leadership elections and having smartly shifted his political position with the sands Burnham is the current incarnation of the white man in a suit. Lord knows we wouldn’t want a woman, PoC or an actual working class MP who grew up in public housing.

I’m mainly fascinated by his shifting position with the prevailing wind. I alternate this with banging my head against the wall.

Also of course being a mayor enabled him to take credit for the successes whilst blaming Westminster for the failures (see also first ministers in the devolved natiosn). If he became leader he would have less than two years to prove anything and in the current era of short termism he would likely be toast at the next election.

Purplecatshopaholic · 16/05/2026 11:47

He won’t be any better. Some charisma, and great eyelashes do not a great leader make, lol. Although they help - until you get the job and the hard stuff begins. I am watching with amusement at this shit show.

Notmycircusnotmyotter · 16/05/2026 11:44

I don't

AllThoseDreams · 16/05/2026 11:40

The press will hound any future labour leader exactly the same way they have always done. If Burnham takes over he will be in exactly the same position as Starmer in a couple of years

Applepe · 16/05/2026 11:24

No

Preppyprepper · 16/05/2026 11:20

Westfacing · 16/05/2026 11:19

I never expected Starmer to have 'charisma' - had enough of that with Boris Johnson

But I did expect him to be a good PM, carry out his plans, not do crazy things e.g. appoint Mandelson when there was a perfectly good female ambassador who got on with Trump, side-line Emily Thornbury, treat Rosie Duffield with scorn - I could go on

I'm hoping that should Burham eventually become PM he will have learnt from Starmer's errors and stick with the programme - I'm hoping he'll be good!

Well Burnham is full 'Trans women are women' so not sure he is the gender critical candidate

NoWordForFluffy · 16/05/2026 11:20

AnneLovesGilbert · 16/05/2026 09:49

I don’t. I’m bemused by his saintly status. So interested in what his fans think.

I came to say that!

I do find the lack of suitable successors rather concerning though, to be honest.

Westfacing · 16/05/2026 11:19

I never expected Starmer to have 'charisma' - had enough of that with Boris Johnson

But I did expect him to be a good PM, carry out his plans, not do crazy things e.g. appoint Mandelson when there was a perfectly good female ambassador who got on with Trump, side-line Emily Thornbury, treat Rosie Duffield with scorn - I could go on

I'm hoping that should Burham eventually become PM he will have learnt from Starmer's errors and stick with the programme - I'm hoping he'll be good!

Wolmando · 16/05/2026 11:18

Bit hard to tell, in the past he has chopped and changed a bit. Not sure what left he is and I don't think he is either

lunar1 · 16/05/2026 11:17

AiAiAi · 16/05/2026 11:11

as someone said in a similar thread, his main selling point is that he can be easily made from Lego

Andy is amazing.

You should have gone with ‘Andy is awesome’ when using Lego!