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Why do you think Andy Burnham would be a good Prime Minister?

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CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

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ByGraptharsHammer · 19/05/2026 18:31

BrinkWomanship · 17/05/2026 09:43

I just wish someone would lead the bloody country and effect change. I have a hunch that senior leaders in the civil service decide what policies will be supported / enacted and it makes no difference which party or PM figurehead is at the top. And that’s why most recent leaders (both of the red and blue variety) have come unstuck. None of Andy Burnham, Streeting, Rayner et al, will have any better luck. And so the cycle continues.

I think it’s more that both Conservatives and Labour cannot face that the tax system is stuffed. They have to make cuts and big ones. They have to rip up the planning system and let building commence. They have to deregulate employment rights but sustain reasonable jobs for people.

The civil service do not decide. But they will point out the downsides. Our politicians sit on the fence. They do not want to be the bad guy and tell us what the problems are. So they make decisions which are small, defensive and within a tiny margin.

Btw I don’t think Reform will be different. They too will find that they do not want to be the bad guy.

CurlewKate · 19/05/2026 18:26

EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:09

Labour shouldn’t use the rw press as a constant excuse.

Not a constant excuse, no. The Labour Party’s excuse to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory is legendary. But the rw press’s undying support for the Conservatives and Reform is undeniable. Cf glasses and a couple of suits v. 5 million quid.

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EasternStandard · 19/05/2026 18:09

JustGiveMeReason · 19/05/2026 17:38

Am heartened by the first few replies.

I don't understand why some Labour politicians have been persuaded to create drama by the right wing press.

I think our current PM is doing a good job and should be able to put all his energy into doing that and not fighting off insurgents from within his own party.

Labour shouldn’t use the rw press as a constant excuse.

scalt · 19/05/2026 18:00

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 23:00

I am a little suspicious of people attributing this whole mess to the press.

Firstly, a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. Just off the top of my head, I am thinking of the prepayment meter scandal, tainted blood products, post office IT systems, all either uncovered or pushed by our press. I look a little askance at anyone who criticises the press wholesale.

I do not buy that there is massive bias against Starmer more than other leaders. I read The Times, and they were brutal about May, ran a constant barrage of Johnson stories about gold wallpaper, the cost of his wife's clothes blah blah even before Covid and partygate. They went after Sunak like pillorying him for leaving the D Day ceremony early, which was a mistake, but it was like he'd been caught embezzling. Their coverage of the new administration was highly positive at the start, with many sympathetic pieces on Rachel Reeves, Labour's canny preparations for govt like business breakfasts and hiring Sue Gray etc.

The fact is, no one has made Starmer make the errors of judgement that he has, no one made Streeting resign or Al Carns publish that accidental Partridge essay in the New Statesman, nobody made Josh Simons stand aside etc. They are doing this themselves.

They really need to own it and stop blaming the press and electorate.

Where were the press in the early stages of the post office scandal, when the bosses were telling individual postmasters “nobody else is having problems”?

What were the press doing when the government was destroying people’s lives, aspirations, businesses, careers and children’s education and mental health with lockdown, lockdown and more lockdown?

Being the government’s main tool in their campaign of fear. The BBC was the worst offender. Not once did the press hold the government, the carnage of lockdown, or the campaign of fear to account. Our saintly press were highly instrumental in keeping the public frightened, and were extremely selective in their reporting. And it’s no good saying “but they reported Partygate” - that was a useful distraction from how absurd the restrictions were.

The the press might make the evil of government marginally less evil, they are hardly a force for good. And when the time is right, they will be saying “The God of Farage can solve all your problems, and he most certainly did not bribe us with the odd billion here and there.”

JustGiveMeReason · 19/05/2026 17:38

Am heartened by the first few replies.

I don't understand why some Labour politicians have been persuaded to create drama by the right wing press.

I think our current PM is doing a good job and should be able to put all his energy into doing that and not fighting off insurgents from within his own party.

Boomer55 · 19/05/2026 16:16

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

I don’t think it’ll change anything. Labour have blown it, and will be out at the next GE.

NorthXNorthWest · 17/05/2026 12:28

ElizaMulvil · 16/05/2026 20:58

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"I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work..."

Well, Andy Burnham certainly knows how to give people a "hand up". He gives 15% of his salary to a homeless charity.

The major problem in this country is not that we are poor. We are one of the richest countries in the world. The problem is that the wealth has been increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

The number of billionaires has doubled since 2010 while living standards of ordinary workers have been squeezed. ( TUC Analysis of the Times Rich List.)There were 9 Billionaires in 1988 ( first year of list) now there are 157. The average wealth of a Rich List Member is 7,600 times higher than that of the average British household.

The TUC has called for an increase in Capital gains tax and a windfall tax on banks. Real wages have grown by just 4.5% since 2010! - 0.3% per year. the number of people in poverty has risen form 13million to 13.4 million. Insecure work has risen by 800,000 since 2011.

Paul Novak the TUC General Secretary said we need an economy that rewards work not just wealth. Under the Tories the wealthiest were allowed to feather their nests while working people suffered an epidemic of insecure work ( fire and rehire eg) and the worst pay stagnation in 200 years! Clearly wealth has not trickled down but hoarded by those at the top.

Ironically despite people fearing that the rich would just flee the country, a recent poll showed that 3 quarters would be happy to pay MORE tax to remain in Britain.

The Rich List is an annual reminder of where wealth accumulates and where the costs fall. Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026. Billionaire Christopher Harborne who gave Reform leader Mr Farage £5 million, has an estimated fortune of £18.2 billion.

*Andy Burnham is a paragon of virtue in comparison!

All very well and noble that Andy Burnham chooses to give 15% of his salary to causes he believes in. But with a generous taxpayer-backed unfunded DB pension scheme to fall back on in retirement, one could argue he does not face the same financial risks around retirement security as many PAYE workers and private-sector professionals funding their own pensions privately. That matters because much of the discussion around Burnham centre on his charisma, authenticity and that he “is the man for the job”. It is entirely legitimate to ask whether someone with that level of financial security may view tax, redistribution and personal financial risk differently from those still trying to build long-term security for themselves and their families.

A quick search puts Burnham’s salary at around £118k per annum, right where the £100k cliff edge starts to bite. Given that charitable donations attract tax relief, a cynic might argue he is not simply sacrificing income, but choosing to direct part of the money that may otherwise have gone in general taxation towards causes he personally believes in.

You have not addressed the fact that, Labour’s messaging increasingly gives the impression that higher earners, long-term homeowners and people who have built up "assets", savings, pensions etc over decades are “privileged” groups / cash cows from whom even more can reasonably be extracted and treats them as thought they are essentially the same as billionaires. What is the TUC's view on these people? It is fair or proportionate? Especially given that globally mobile billionaire wealth is often far harder to tax in practice than UK-based PAYE professionals, graduates, homeowners, pensioners, and self-funders tied to the domestic economy.

You haven't addressed that fact that some graduates and professionals already face effective marginal deduction rates approaching 70% once the £100k taper, National Insurance and student loan repayments are combined. Many ordinary homeowners are guilty of nothing more than staying in an area for years whilst prices rose around them, or restoring dilapidated homes over decades. Likewise, self-funders in social care often pay enormous sums from the proceeds of homes they worked their whole lives to buy whilst simultaneously reducing pressure on the wider care system.

At some point, it is reasonable to ask whether ever increasing effective tax rates and property taxation genuinely create growth and aspiration, or whether they risk discouraging the very behaviours governments have encouraged for decades: work, saving, investment and self-provision. Too often we focus on charismatic leaders fighting dehumanised targets using proactive terms “billionaires”, “asset hoarders”, “privileged homeowners”, for the "worthy", rather than stepping back and asking whether the overall system genuinely stacks up in the medium and long term.

If the ability to build some level of security through work, saving and responsible choices is itself increasingly treated as a “privilege”, then what exactly are people being encouraged to strive for? Because once politicians like Andy decide that a certain level of security or success is “too much” and should therefore face high, ever increasing levels taxation, they are effectively deciding for other people what level of aspiration, security and self-provision they are allow to achieve.

Bulbsbulbsbulbs · 17/05/2026 11:31

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

He has has a Mancunian accent, not Scouse. I'm from Manchester. He sounds exactly like the Gallagher brothers.

CurlewKate · 17/05/2026 11:28

BunnyBunbunbun · 17/05/2026 07:57

A scouse accent? Not sure about that. Yes, both Burnham and Streeting went to Cambridge, but they are both from very modest, working-class to lower-middle-class backgrounds (Streeting especially). I thought we wanted bright people from less privileged backgrounds and "normal" schools who work hard to get into Oxbridge and thrive.

I agree we need more people from backgrounds like theirs. Streeting in particular comes from a very challenging background indeed. Burnham much less so. I was just pointing out that we are inclined to attribute “man of the people” status for very superficial reasons and we need to watch that. Badenoch becoming working class because of a summer job in McDonalds springs to mind!

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BrinkWomanship · 17/05/2026 09:43

I just wish someone would lead the bloody country and effect change. I have a hunch that senior leaders in the civil service decide what policies will be supported / enacted and it makes no difference which party or PM figurehead is at the top. And that’s why most recent leaders (both of the red and blue variety) have come unstuck. None of Andy Burnham, Streeting, Rayner et al, will have any better luck. And so the cycle continues.

BunnyBunbunbun · 17/05/2026 07:57

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

A scouse accent? Not sure about that. Yes, both Burnham and Streeting went to Cambridge, but they are both from very modest, working-class to lower-middle-class backgrounds (Streeting especially). I thought we wanted bright people from less privileged backgrounds and "normal" schools who work hard to get into Oxbridge and thrive.

MsGreying · 16/05/2026 23:10

Telegraph has him as having wasted £100m on the CAZ
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And he wants to join the EU. Makerfield was 66-68% leave.

deeahgwitch · 16/05/2026 23:10

I don’t live in the UK and am not a British citizen so be gentle- I mixed up Andy Burnham with Andy Street Blush

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 23:00

I am a little suspicious of people attributing this whole mess to the press.

Firstly, a free press is essential to a functioning democracy. Just off the top of my head, I am thinking of the prepayment meter scandal, tainted blood products, post office IT systems, all either uncovered or pushed by our press. I look a little askance at anyone who criticises the press wholesale.

I do not buy that there is massive bias against Starmer more than other leaders. I read The Times, and they were brutal about May, ran a constant barrage of Johnson stories about gold wallpaper, the cost of his wife's clothes blah blah even before Covid and partygate. They went after Sunak like pillorying him for leaving the D Day ceremony early, which was a mistake, but it was like he'd been caught embezzling. Their coverage of the new administration was highly positive at the start, with many sympathetic pieces on Rachel Reeves, Labour's canny preparations for govt like business breakfasts and hiring Sue Gray etc.

The fact is, no one has made Starmer make the errors of judgement that he has, no one made Streeting resign or Al Carns publish that accidental Partridge essay in the New Statesman, nobody made Josh Simons stand aside etc. They are doing this themselves.

They really need to own it and stop blaming the press and electorate.

ByGraptharsHammer · 16/05/2026 22:53

He’s been rejected twice as a leader already! What makes him good as a leader?

If it’s “not Keir Starmer” or more left wing then the press will be even worse.

JohnnyMcGrathSaysFuckOff · 16/05/2026 22:48

Lilactimes · 16/05/2026 18:53

@NorthXNorthWest - this is interesting and i agree with a lot of what you say. There is wealth tho - and then there's WEALTH.
I think the issue i have is with people with extreme wealth - billionaires not paying their share.

Yes but her point is, Labour rhetoric elides that difference.

ElizaMulvil · 16/05/2026 20:58

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"I look at Andy and all I see is someone telling people to know their place and lower their expectations, rather than truly offering them a hand up. And I think he is prepared to use the money of people who have done the right thing to help build his political fiefdom in pursuit of greater power and glory. I mean the 100k a year for life is not bad for what will likely be just 2 years work..."

Well, Andy Burnham certainly knows how to give people a "hand up". He gives 15% of his salary to a homeless charity.

The major problem in this country is not that we are poor. We are one of the richest countries in the world. The problem is that the wealth has been increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.

The number of billionaires has doubled since 2010 while living standards of ordinary workers have been squeezed. ( TUC Analysis of the Times Rich List.)There were 9 Billionaires in 1988 ( first year of list) now there are 157. The average wealth of a Rich List Member is 7,600 times higher than that of the average British household.

The TUC has called for an increase in Capital gains tax and a windfall tax on banks. Real wages have grown by just 4.5% since 2010! - 0.3% per year. the number of people in poverty has risen form 13million to 13.4 million. Insecure work has risen by 800,000 since 2011.

Paul Novak the TUC General Secretary said we need an economy that rewards work not just wealth. Under the Tories the wealthiest were allowed to feather their nests while working people suffered an epidemic of insecure work ( fire and rehire eg) and the worst pay stagnation in 200 years! Clearly wealth has not trickled down but hoarded by those at the top.

Ironically despite people fearing that the rich would just flee the country, a recent poll showed that 3 quarters would be happy to pay MORE tax to remain in Britain.

The Rich List is an annual reminder of where wealth accumulates and where the costs fall. Energy companies made £26.2 billion PROFIT in the first 3 months of 2026. Billionaire Christopher Harborne who gave Reform leader Mr Farage £5 million, has an estimated fortune of £18.2 billion.

*Andy Burnham is a paragon of virtue in comparison!

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 19:50

I take your point on the disability comment. It was a poor choice of words on my part, and I apologise for using that description.

I agree, though, that I don't think it will be a shoo-in. I also think it is disrespectful to the voters in Makerfield. Maybe if they had canvassed opinion locally first, it would feel more like a decision being made for the greater good rather than something imposed on them. But even then I am not sure how comfortable I am with him taking a job from a democratically elected official.

And before anyone says “we do not vote for Prime Ministers”, I understand technically we vote for parties and local MPs. But party leaders are obviously a major part of modern general elections, so I completely agree with you that it would not be a great look democratically..

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 19:18

@NorthXNorthWest Apologies, I haven’t got time this evening to reply properly. I just wanted to point out that of course he hasn’t got the experience of someone who had already been PM-but being Chief Secretary to the Treasury and Secretary of State for Health, among other roles, is hardly taking “bit” parts. And, while comments about his “hotness” are a little tedious, they are not in the same ball park as saying he looks as if he has a disability. That’s why I decided not to comment on those in order to keep the thread moving but could not leave your remark unnoted.
I am still undecided about him myself-but my main objection at the moment is that I think either he will lose his by-election to Reform, which will be disastrous both for Labour and the country or he will win it, which means we will have an undemocratically elected PM-which will be disastrous for democracy.

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Lilactimes · 16/05/2026 18:53

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 18:40

Apologies in advance for any typos I am on a train, on my phone and it's a pain to proof read.

You asked for opinions. Those are my opinions and the reasons behind them. In my view, he is part of the problem, and so are Labour more broadly. The Prime Minister may be “first amongst equals”, with arguably less individual power than in the past, but the wider political team and direction of travel still matter. I believe the country will be poorer, weaker and more divided.

Your post was reductive and an unfair reading of what I said. Wanting growth, productivity and wealth creation to be prioritised alongside redistribution does not automatically mean I am “guarding privilege like Gollum.” I am for none of the above politically. They are all just grifters wearing different colours. I just believe it is perfectly possible to support social mobility, public services and helping vulnerable people while still questioning whether ever-higher taxation and redistribution alone solves this country’s problems. I also think the phrase “politics of envy” can sometimes be a reasonable criticism of how certain policies are framed politically in order to build support for them.

My point is not that all taxation or redistribution is wrong. It is that there are limits and trade-offs involved, which many economists with differing perspective recognise. After a certain point, continually increasing the tax burden in a country with weak growth and low productivity will become counterproductive by discouraging investment, entrepreneurship and skilled worker staying in work - we already have a problem with people retiring early or changing their working pattern to not hit tax cliff edges, ultimately shrinking tax receipts/ the tax base needed to fund public services sustainably. There is such a thing as the Laffer Curve.

I also think there is a huge difference between concentrated corporate/HNW wealth and ordinary people who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions or bought a family home decades ago. Increasingly, Labours rhetoric lumps these different under disingenuous provocative labels such as “asset rich”, “privileged” or “those with the broadest shoulders”. This can can make normal aspiration sound morally suspect and imply there a limit that decent people do not go beyond. Many of these people are not living extravagant lifestyles. They did what was asked of them by successive governments: work, save, contribute and try to build long-term security for themselves and their families. In many cases, self-funders already subsidise large parts of the social care system through their taxes and assets - c30% of the social care bill according to different sources. If you continually penalise saving, ownership and self-reliance, you risk eventually creating more dependency on the state rather than less.

I will say it again. If we really want to address housing inflation and the cost-of-living crisis, we need to look at structural causes such as supply constraints, planning, infrastructure and broader economic stagnation rather than implying ordinary homeowners are responsible for national decline. Governments, both red and blue, encouraged home ownership add in deregulation of parts of the financial market and a failure to replace enough social housing (both of them guilty). Increasingly, private companies profit from shortages while taxpayers still absorb many of the wider social costs.

The same applies to higher education. Labour often talks about “lifting children out of poverty”. For years, young people have been encouraged to go to university as a way to improve their lives and become the most productive citizens they can be. Universities should therefore be viewed as an investment in people and in the country’s future prosperity. That is why I think pushing a reductionist rhetoric suggesting that “people who did not go to university should not have to pay for those who do” is overly simplistic and breeds contempt. Many graduates are likely to become net contributors over their lifetimes through increased earnings and higher taxes. So higher education often benefits the wider economy and the public purse, not just the individual. Yet graduates under Labour are increasingly framed as privileged beneficiaries of public support, despite many having eyewatering student debts yet fewer job opportunities. (Budget for growth anyone?). Plan 2 borrowers enjoying the extra “privileges”. Granted, that is a system Labour did not create, but one it appears content to continue benefiting from. If we want to talk protectionism and systems that unfairly burden certain groups, perhaps we should start there.

And on Burnham specifically, yes, “bit player” might be jarring to you, but is is a fair description. He held senior roles but did not the power of Cameron, Johnson or Blair. You completely missed my broader point - he build a regional kingdom/ anti-Westminster reputation, only to jack in it as soon as there was a sniff of even more power.

As for the “medical condition” comment, people had already commented that he was “hot” and charismatic, which is equally unrelated to policy or competence. I accept that neither comment or the others adds anything to a serious political discussion, but I found it interesting that my comment was singled out while the other appearance-based remarks were largely ignored. If this were a female politician, I suspect comments about attractiveness would have been challenged much more quickly.

I still stand by the view that he is not the right person to become Prime Minister. As for who did what - red, blue or orange - we are well past simple tribal politics at this point. I just want someone in power and will actually fix the country rather than blindly following an ideological, heavy tax and redistribution policy that has repeatedly failed to deliver in any country that has tried it.

Does this make my position clearer? it's pretty much what I wrote earlier.

@NorthXNorthWest - this is interesting and i agree with a lot of what you say. There is wealth tho - and then there's WEALTH.
I think the issue i have is with people with extreme wealth - billionaires not paying their share.

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 18:40

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 14:48

What a bizarre way to follow your thoughtful and interesting earlier post!

incidentally, he was not a bit player in Westminster-he held several significant roles. And I am always wary when people use phrases like “the politics of envy” and “levelling down”. They usually mean “I will guard my privilege like Gollum”!

Apologies in advance for any typos I am on a train, on my phone and it's a pain to proof read.

You asked for opinions. Those are my opinions and the reasons behind them. In my view, he is part of the problem, and so are Labour more broadly. The Prime Minister may be “first amongst equals”, with arguably less individual power than in the past, but the wider political team and direction of travel still matter. I believe the country will be poorer, weaker and more divided.

Your post was reductive and an unfair reading of what I said. Wanting growth, productivity and wealth creation to be prioritised alongside redistribution does not automatically mean I am “guarding privilege like Gollum.” I am for none of the above politically. They are all just grifters wearing different colours. I just believe it is perfectly possible to support social mobility, public services and helping vulnerable people while still questioning whether ever-higher taxation and redistribution alone solves this country’s problems. I also think the phrase “politics of envy” can sometimes be a reasonable criticism of how certain policies are framed politically in order to build support for them.

My point is not that all taxation or redistribution is wrong. It is that there are limits and trade-offs involved, which many economists with differing perspective recognise. After a certain point, continually increasing the tax burden in a country with weak growth and low productivity will become counterproductive by discouraging investment, entrepreneurship and skilled worker staying in work - we already have a problem with people retiring early or changing their working pattern to not hit tax cliff edges, ultimately shrinking tax receipts/ the tax base needed to fund public services sustainably. There is such a thing as the Laffer Curve.

I also think there is a huge difference between concentrated corporate/HNW wealth and ordinary people who worked, paid taxes, saved into pensions or bought a family home decades ago. Increasingly, Labours rhetoric lumps these different under disingenuous provocative labels such as “asset rich”, “privileged” or “those with the broadest shoulders”. This can can make normal aspiration sound morally suspect and imply there a limit that decent people do not go beyond. Many of these people are not living extravagant lifestyles. They did what was asked of them by successive governments: work, save, contribute and try to build long-term security for themselves and their families. In many cases, self-funders already subsidise large parts of the social care system through their taxes and assets - c30% of the social care bill according to different sources. If you continually penalise saving, ownership and self-reliance, you risk eventually creating more dependency on the state rather than less.

I will say it again. If we really want to address housing inflation and the cost-of-living crisis, we need to look at structural causes such as supply constraints, planning, infrastructure and broader economic stagnation rather than implying ordinary homeowners are responsible for national decline. Governments, both red and blue, encouraged home ownership add in deregulation of parts of the financial market and a failure to replace enough social housing (both of them guilty). Increasingly, private companies profit from shortages while taxpayers still absorb many of the wider social costs.

The same applies to higher education. Labour often talks about “lifting children out of poverty”. For years, young people have been encouraged to go to university as a way to improve their lives and become the most productive citizens they can be. Universities should therefore be viewed as an investment in people and in the country’s future prosperity. That is why I think pushing a reductionist rhetoric suggesting that “people who did not go to university should not have to pay for those who do” is overly simplistic and breeds contempt. Many graduates are likely to become net contributors over their lifetimes through increased earnings and higher taxes. So higher education often benefits the wider economy and the public purse, not just the individual. Yet graduates under Labour are increasingly framed as privileged beneficiaries of public support, despite many having eyewatering student debts yet fewer job opportunities. (Budget for growth anyone?). Plan 2 borrowers enjoying the extra “privileges”. Granted, that is a system Labour did not create, but one it appears content to continue benefiting from. If we want to talk protectionism and systems that unfairly burden certain groups, perhaps we should start there.

And on Burnham specifically, yes, “bit player” might be jarring to you, but is is a fair description. He held senior roles but did not the power of Cameron, Johnson or Blair. You completely missed my broader point - he build a regional kingdom/ anti-Westminster reputation, only to jack in it as soon as there was a sniff of even more power.

As for the “medical condition” comment, people had already commented that he was “hot” and charismatic, which is equally unrelated to policy or competence. I accept that neither comment or the others adds anything to a serious political discussion, but I found it interesting that my comment was singled out while the other appearance-based remarks were largely ignored. If this were a female politician, I suspect comments about attractiveness would have been challenged much more quickly.

I still stand by the view that he is not the right person to become Prime Minister. As for who did what - red, blue or orange - we are well past simple tribal politics at this point. I just want someone in power and will actually fix the country rather than blindly following an ideological, heavy tax and redistribution policy that has repeatedly failed to deliver in any country that has tried it.

Does this make my position clearer? it's pretty much what I wrote earlier.

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 15:46

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:52

I dont, he’s an Oxbridge-to-think-tank-then-Parliament type. The fact he has an accent seems to be enough for people to think he’s this really salt of the earth practical guy. Madness.

Yes-people do forget that he’s an Oxbridge SPAD with a Scouse accent! But he does have good solid Parliamentary experience. And he did work for Tessa Jowell, who was a very committed and principled Minuster.

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Candlesnuffer · 16/05/2026 15:04

Preppyprepper · 16/05/2026 09:55

I don't think he would make a better Prime Minister at all. Nothing I've seen from him tells me he can make tough decisions about the long-term future of the UK, he just speaks well to the media and looks like a nice guy.

It's infuriating that the Press has created this whole drama for the 24-hour news cycle. The UK needs to adapt to the future in very chaotic global conditions. This needs a long-term approach which the current PM is trying to address, but because it's boring with not much to show in the short term, the Press, and then the public, start craving a bit more drama.

I sincerely hope Andy Burnham rethinks this whole mess. He might have been a good candidate to take over if Starmer stepped down in a few years, but now is not the right time, and he is likely to ruin his reputation and chances forever if it all goes wrong (reform gets in, or he loses in a leadership contest to KS). Streeting has just ruined his own reputation and chances by doing the same

Totally agree with this post and hope Andy Burnham steps back. More wasted money as well.

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:53

NorthXNorthWest · 16/05/2026 13:36

He looks like he has a medical condition.

I always think he either looks like he’s been crying or has a cold

Walkyrie · 16/05/2026 14:52

CurlewKate · 16/05/2026 09:41

I’m looking for solid practical reasons. I get that he’s got charisma and nice eyelashes and has done a good job as Mayor. But apart from that? What IS it about him that makes people think he’d be good at the job?

I dont, he’s an Oxbridge-to-think-tank-then-Parliament type. The fact he has an accent seems to be enough for people to think he’s this really salt of the earth practical guy. Madness.

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