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This post nails it about left wing voters on Mumsnet over the last two days

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ProudAmberTurtle · 10/05/2026 08:55

It's by an ex-academic on X, about posts on Reddit over the last 48 hours but is equally applicable to Mumsnet, where I can seeing posts stating things like:

"How stupid are Reform voters? Don't they realise they'll get fewer benefits?!"

The irony is of course that it's those posters who need to be educated, not the working class voters they mock because they think they're thick.

Here you go:

Reading through Reddit threads in which leftists/progressives express their bewilderment/confusion/fury at working class English voters for casting their lot in with Reform, one of the things I'm starting to understand is this:

They simply do not understand how a government could help working-class people in any other way besides giving them benefits, handouts, and other free things.

Their entire mental architecture is premised upon the premises that

  1. Working class people are poor
  2. The only way for them to not be poor is for the state to give them free stuff
  3. So left-wing parties need to promise them lots of free stuff

Then, when these working-class voters instead vote for right-of-centre parties who instead promise an economy in which they can build a career, start their own business, make a financial success of themselves and start a family, they're confused.

Because, again, in their mental architecture, what the working class are supposed to want is free benefits from the state.

But what they actually want is a fair shake at making their own way in the world, making money, getting on in life.

And the left simply doesn't understand that what these voters want from the state is an economy in which they can actually do this.

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BIossomtoes · 04/06/2026 16:13

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 16:11

It’s so bad but it did get picked up on here, thanks to McSweeney. Who is now sacked - like many others due to Starmer.

Fortunately only a few are so loyal to Labour and Starmer these days.

They shed support each week.

Not according to the graph upthread.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 16:11

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:39

I have done loads in toolrooms. I am not a time served toolmaker, but I know my way about machine tools.

Starmer's old man was a toolmaker I understand. What was the clunker ? Just as a genuine matter of interest ?

It’s so bad but it did get picked up on here, thanks to McSweeney. Who is now sacked - like many others due to Starmer.

Fortunately only a few are so loyal to Labour and Starmer these days.

They shed support each week.

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 16:06

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:39

I have done loads in toolrooms. I am not a time served toolmaker, but I know my way about machine tools.

Starmer's old man was a toolmaker I understand. What was the clunker ? Just as a genuine matter of interest ?

..and Badenoch bangs on and on about her Mac'd days and being an Engineer... as well as a dab hand getting around internet security.

Its an irrelevance but the right will focus on Starmer, same as they did and still do on his field, bought for his parents to keep their rescue Donkeys on but now makes him a multi millionaire as it's now worth £10m...... IF it had planning consent for 100 houses... which it doesn't and probably never will.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 16:05

You have one fan @RedTagAlan

I can understand @inkognitha

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 16:03

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:53

I already replied Alan, with an extra post to explain it to you.
I tried my best, not my fault if you don't want to understand it.

Post your answer to my question, come on, I did my bit, you do yours.

Or we can save you the cringe of looking again like a fool and conclude that you dish out notions you don't understand or can't prove?

This was your answer where you explained your previous answer ? Quote :

"So, you’re ignorant or dim, and you prefer to hide it rather than engage and learn, yet we should pay a lot of credit to your opinions from the big man in China because …?
God of the Atheists, grant me some day the self-confidence of a mediocre man 😂
All these notions come from the Enlightenment, the French Revolution and the Human’s Right Declaration, which is a bit of a milestone in the history of the relationship between citizen, state and religion.
personal emancipation: you re a citizen free to live as you want, you are not limited or be forced to stay within the group, clan, caste, religion, community, etc, you are born into.
equality between sexes: nc
scientific progress: science over beliefs
freedom from obscurantism and dogma: be free to call out anything that is not science-based and/or that goes against personal emancipation etc.
dogma: any opinion that people are not allowed to question
hth, but it won’t."

Hands up who can follow that as an answer to " What British cultural things can't British do ?

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 15:59

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:02

@Alexandra2001

I forgot to mention whataboutisms.

But Eastern standard just reminded me.

😆😆
Thankyou, made me chuckle!

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:53

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:43

No no. It's only polite that you go first. Unabstract your abstract answer sort of thing. Lower the brow to a level where working class such as myself can understand it.

I already replied Alan, with an extra post to explain it to you.
I tried my best, not my fault if you don't want to understand it.

Post your answer to my question, come on, I did my bit, you do yours.

Or we can save you the cringe of looking again like a fool and conclude that you dish out notions you don't understand or can't prove?

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:49

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:47

It's ignored by a lot of the media and by posters on here.

There probably isn’t a day where a post doesn’t mention one of those.

All political parties get lines out, some stick and get repeated. It’s not just a feature of Reform as claimed below.

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:47

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:41

Yes they do. With the media and on here it’s picked up daily.

It's ignored by a lot of the media and by posters on here.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:43

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:27

You are the one who brought the 1949 UN declaration into this... so for the relevance, go ask yourself.

Come on, Alan, elaborate on the "cult of personality playbook" of Mao and Farage
You mentioned it first, now you should back it.

No no. It's only polite that you go first. Unabstract your abstract answer sort of thing. Lower the brow to a level where working class such as myself can understand it.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:41

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:29

Reform's 'clunkers' do not get as much media attention.

£5m, Clacton house, school days racism etc.

Yes they do. With the media and on here it’s picked up daily.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:39

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:18

So there you go. The long post on Reform doing it ignores that it’s a feature of politics today.

Labour had some clunkers - even toolmaker was picked up and repeated pre GE.

I have done loads in toolrooms. I am not a time served toolmaker, but I know my way about machine tools.

Starmer's old man was a toolmaker I understand. What was the clunker ? Just as a genuine matter of interest ?

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:29

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:18

So there you go. The long post on Reform doing it ignores that it’s a feature of politics today.

Labour had some clunkers - even toolmaker was picked up and repeated pre GE.

Reform's 'clunkers' do not get as much media attention.

£5m, Clacton house, school days racism etc.

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:27

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:17

French revolution was the gist of your answer I recall. I asked you to explain, because I don't know much about that.

The UN convention on human rights I understand, but I did not see relevance in context.

You are the one who brought the 1949 UN declaration into this... so for the relevance, go ask yourself.

Come on, Alan, elaborate on the "cult of personality playbook" of Mao and Farage
You mentioned it first, now you should back it.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:18

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:14

Every party does that, posters repeat Badenoch verbatim as well.

Others stick to the Telegraph headlines

Nothing to do with being a leftie, rightie or cenrist.

So there you go. The long post on Reform doing it ignores that it’s a feature of politics today.

Labour had some clunkers - even toolmaker was picked up and repeated pre GE.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:17

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:11

I answered you.
You ignored me for a couple of days.
Then you whined it was too complicated, you even pretended not to understand the quoting system.

But I answered.
Your turn.

French revolution was the gist of your answer I recall. I asked you to explain, because I don't know much about that.

The UN convention on human rights I understand, but I did not see relevance in context.

hedgeknight · 04/06/2026 15:14

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 14:56

Labour put out lines and posters repeat them verbatim.

Every party does that, posters repeat Badenoch verbatim as well.

Others stick to the Telegraph headlines

Nothing to do with being a leftie, rightie or cenrist.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:12

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:00

You first.

What British cultural things can't British do any more ?

@inkognithaanswered that.

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 15:11

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:00

You first.

What British cultural things can't British do any more ?

I answered you.
You ignored me for a couple of days.
Then you whined it was too complicated, you even pretended not to understand the quoting system.

But I answered.
Your turn.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 15:04

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:02

@Alexandra2001

I forgot to mention whataboutisms.

But Eastern standard just reminded me.

Ah yes Labour don’t like being mentioned. You just reminded me.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:02

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 14:56

Labour put out lines and posters repeat them verbatim.

@Alexandra2001

I forgot to mention whataboutisms.

But Eastern standard just reminded me.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 15:00

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 14:48

Explain how Farage is using the "cult of personality playbook" from Chairman Mao?

I am all ears... it s gonna be a ride, I can already tell.

You first.

What British cultural things can't British do any more ?

EasternStandard · 04/06/2026 14:56

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 14:24

Agree.

And Farage etc are clever. Very clever.

They have created a catch 22. And so far as morals go, what morals do I mean? How about the morals of truth and facts. They are using the "Cult of Personality " playbook. The Mao version.

Followers repeat misinformation that Farage issues. Anyone that tries to explain why it is misinformation... THEY ARE SPEAKING DOWN TO YOU.

Farage speaks in coded dog whistles. They repeat it. Erm, is that not racist or xenophobic ? ...HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST.

Farage hand waves at dodgy data. It is repeated. Anyone shows real data.... YOUR DATA IS FAKE.

Nobody can win against them. The catch 22 comes in again That any refuting evidence presented becomes evidence that YOU ARE AGAINST THEM.

My favourite is the "WAKE UP". Followed by "WOKE IS BAD". It is really difficult to debate against such a contradiction with logic. Because the premise is not logical.

Labour put out lines and posters repeat them verbatim.

inkognitha · 04/06/2026 14:48

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 14:24

Agree.

And Farage etc are clever. Very clever.

They have created a catch 22. And so far as morals go, what morals do I mean? How about the morals of truth and facts. They are using the "Cult of Personality " playbook. The Mao version.

Followers repeat misinformation that Farage issues. Anyone that tries to explain why it is misinformation... THEY ARE SPEAKING DOWN TO YOU.

Farage speaks in coded dog whistles. They repeat it. Erm, is that not racist or xenophobic ? ...HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST.

Farage hand waves at dodgy data. It is repeated. Anyone shows real data.... YOUR DATA IS FAKE.

Nobody can win against them. The catch 22 comes in again That any refuting evidence presented becomes evidence that YOU ARE AGAINST THEM.

My favourite is the "WAKE UP". Followed by "WOKE IS BAD". It is really difficult to debate against such a contradiction with logic. Because the premise is not logical.

Explain how Farage is using the "cult of personality playbook" from Chairman Mao?

I am all ears... it s gonna be a ride, I can already tell.

RedTagAlan · 04/06/2026 14:24

Alexandra2001 · 04/06/2026 13:50

No, you said "Great post" for criticising the centre left MC for calling Reform voters stupid etc

You made zero mention of the torrent of rubbish spouted from the 'right towards the centre left and neither did the post you were so keen to praise.

Even now we have Farage, Musk & others on the right, making or trying to, stir hatred and division... yet the issue is the left calling Reform stupid.

Fwiw i don't think Reform is stupid, Farage Tice and Yusif are very clever, they manipulate voters across a wide range of the population and educational levels into believing things like immigration, non existent 2 tier policing and the EU are at the heart of the UKs problems.

Agree.

And Farage etc are clever. Very clever.

They have created a catch 22. And so far as morals go, what morals do I mean? How about the morals of truth and facts. They are using the "Cult of Personality " playbook. The Mao version.

Followers repeat misinformation that Farage issues. Anyone that tries to explain why it is misinformation... THEY ARE SPEAKING DOWN TO YOU.

Farage speaks in coded dog whistles. They repeat it. Erm, is that not racist or xenophobic ? ...HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST.

Farage hand waves at dodgy data. It is repeated. Anyone shows real data.... YOUR DATA IS FAKE.

Nobody can win against them. The catch 22 comes in again That any refuting evidence presented becomes evidence that YOU ARE AGAINST THEM.

My favourite is the "WAKE UP". Followed by "WOKE IS BAD". It is really difficult to debate against such a contradiction with logic. Because the premise is not logical.