This post nails it about left wing voters on Mumsnet over the last two days

Far left was probably used as the pp used far right.

Re who they’ll vote for, I guess we’ll see at next GE.

@Alexandra2001 we clearly know different electricians and builders!

That does not explain what is meant with the far left.

Who are the elite backing then?

It’s from the pp this .

‘Now the far right are the working class. And the left are the elite.’

It’s not the case. Labour have lost many wc voters including trades mentioned below that is the case. But those who do still back Labour or Greens are typically not the elite.

Who are the far left?

I agree with you on much of that.

Do you think the Brexit debate politicised more people? along with populist politicians like Farage.

I ve always followed politics (supporting both Tory and Labour at various times) but i was the exception and avoided the subject but now, its everyone, friends who previously just muttered "they are all the same" are now "experts" in vaxx and climate change denial, post constantly on various issues from immigration to the NHS and strongly believe white people are discriminated against.

I don't know anyone who has gone from indifference to left wing views, tell a lie, yes just one person.

It’s a cultural change to have such racial sensitivity and to have marches & demonstrations on a regular basis in UK cities against a war in a different country that we are not directly involved in.

Jewish people in the UK would probably say the UK no longer feels like a welcoming place for them to live despite British values being supposedly inclusive. Society has become more divided.

British people feel worried about celebrating being British- flying flags for example is only really considered ok now in the context of the World Cup. And even then … I saw a MN post yesterday from someone saying the World Cup is just an excuse for racists to fly England flags.

I know a window fitter, an electrician, a stove fitter and a plasterer who are left leaning, whilst i believe we live in the same area, obv a different town!

The toolmaker i mentioned earlier was also a huge Labour supporter.

I see you've picked up the on the phrase "Alarm Clock Britain"

Farage and Mao. How are they similar in tactics. Cult of personality etc.

Both presented big projects that would solve all. Mao had the great leap forward, Farage had Brexit. Both projects did not deliver what was promised. They failed. And both Mao and Farage were sidelined. Into the political wilderness they went for a while.

But both really want power no matter what. Mao had his Cultural Revolution, Farage launched reform.

And both Mao and Farage blamed the others in power for the failure of their main projects. And they said "Trust me, I can fix things, and only I have the vision to fix it".

So, blame those in power for what is wrong. And if something is actually ok, then tell the people " No, it is wrong and only I can fix it". You know, invent problems, or escalate what are not problems, into being the biggest problems.

Divide society. Threaten the establishment with "do it my way or I will take my people". And back that up with protests, often violent. And above all, rouse their base with promises of a utopia. Without actually saying what that utopia will be.

Attack academia. Lebel your opponents as the elite. Tell your supporters that this elite only have one function:-to keep you down so they can keep their power over you. But they, Mao and Farage, can fix it.

"Look at the elite. They hate you, they insult you, but I care about you. And only I can help you"

And you can throw in the anti science stuff, anti institutions, attack the media too. " They are trying to indoctrinate you. But I am waking you up"

See, same playbook

So. that's my bit, Your turn.

What British cultural things can't British do any more?

Explained in an easy to understand way.

True.

The far left just think they are the elite 😂

Yes. In a way I think

Because it was Thatcher who set out persuade the working class masses that they were middle class. And she done that by selling off state owned assets. She reasoned that if middle class traditionally voted tory, then persuade folk they are middle class.

Then Major came along with his classless society. Personally, I really like that concept. You are who you are.

Then Farage. And not only did he resurrect the idea of a class system, he tried to totally reinvent it. To make it divisive. Them against us. Now the far right are the working class. And the left are the elite.

Probably not - are there even a million plumbers in the country?

A man in a million @BIossomtoes !

Our plumber is even leftier than me @Papyrophile.

I know what you mean @mathanxiety but it is difficult to argue with the thought that if you want a better life, it's at least 50% on you to go and seek it out.

I see Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbitt ride again.

I've never met a genuinely leftie tradie, and I live in the milieu of small town tradespeople. Every single one is setting the alarm for work in the morning. We all work for our families' benefit, and paying tax is part of the package. It would be nice to think that all the charges added up to a safety net for those that really are vulnerable but sadly there are chancers and opportunists out to game the system.

Starner’s political strategy worked at the GE but it isn’t anymore. Hence the big drops, with union members, leaders, his party and many voters.

His dad being a toolmaker isn't working for him anymore?

Do you really think people voted for him because of his dad's job?

Or what are you saying?

Ok well it isn’t really working for him anymore.

11 union leaders have said go before the next GE and there’s a 20 point drop with union members.

If Labour do manage to oust him, as wanted, the next leader will need more substance than their dad’s job.

Lead can do stuff like that. It changes the brain.

I am not defending the guy, I am saying vote for the left wing plumber who is more likely to know the dangers. And who want's to protect others.

Pb is really bad stuff.

...and few are quite as "round the bend" as Kenyon, a self proclaimed misogynist who believes women cannot drive, can't give directions, can't referee a match but who wants to sniff Vordermans arse...

... yet still the Refomites on here or anywhere else cannot bring themselves to call him out on some pretty vile views.

Yup which those on the right used to attack and ridicule him over.

Just as they have always looked down on people who didn't go to the right schools or worked in the correct professions.

Absurd really, esp with the Uni sector in crisis and no one can get a decent builder for love nor money.

Quote " Plumbers are going for MP positions from left and right."

I have big respect for plumbers. But some are round the bend.

Connected to lead solder. It's not their fault of course. It comes down to the bourgeoise refusing to pay for proper training and health and safety. Plumbers on the left will be aware of the risks of Pb. Those on the right maybe less so.

So on the right it's the bourgeoise who were against paying for their health and safety that are now funding right leaning plumbers to become lawmakers. And they are being funded to stand on a manifesto of reducing regulation.

And on the left, the plumbers who are left leaning and are aware of the dangers of Pb, and who want to protect others, are being funded by the left to stand on a manifesto of more workers protection.

You are making some excellent points Eastern.

Vote for left wing plumbers. Pb is bad stuff. It has been scientifically proven to be connected to criminal behavior.