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This post nails it about left wing voters on Mumsnet over the last two days

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ProudAmberTurtle · 10/05/2026 08:55

It's by an ex-academic on X, about posts on Reddit over the last 48 hours but is equally applicable to Mumsnet, where I can seeing posts stating things like:

"How stupid are Reform voters? Don't they realise they'll get fewer benefits?!"

The irony is of course that it's those posters who need to be educated, not the working class voters they mock because they think they're thick.

Here you go:

Reading through Reddit threads in which leftists/progressives express their bewilderment/confusion/fury at working class English voters for casting their lot in with Reform, one of the things I'm starting to understand is this:

They simply do not understand how a government could help working-class people in any other way besides giving them benefits, handouts, and other free things.

Their entire mental architecture is premised upon the premises that

  1. Working class people are poor
  2. The only way for them to not be poor is for the state to give them free stuff
  3. So left-wing parties need to promise them lots of free stuff

Then, when these working-class voters instead vote for right-of-centre parties who instead promise an economy in which they can build a career, start their own business, make a financial success of themselves and start a family, they're confused.

Because, again, in their mental architecture, what the working class are supposed to want is free benefits from the state.

But what they actually want is a fair shake at making their own way in the world, making money, getting on in life.

And the left simply doesn't understand that what these voters want from the state is an economy in which they can actually do this.

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pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 16:02

well red tag Alan
I think I'm as old as you as I well remember the mods and rockers, punks etc in my teenage years . I was more on the hippie side.
We were were not scared of the mods and rockers, maybe just intimidated. We knew they were not going to change our lives.
The Islamist threat to our way of life is immense. you do not appear to be very aware of the power it already has - not the least in voting patterns but also in many other areas. School curriculum has also come under their spotlight. I hate to say it, but it seems that many people are running scared of it.

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 15:55

EasternStandard · 31/05/2026 14:53

I thought ‘far east’ was out dated as a term these days.

Although whichever specific country it is there likely is a distinct culture, which the pp can probably recognise even if a culture is not afforded to here.

I’m going to assume it’s Japan. Maybe South Korea.

Because her putting a Christmas tree up in Tokyo is comparable to a woman walking through Kabul with her elbows showing

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 15:48

EasternStandard · 31/05/2026 14:53

I thought ‘far east’ was out dated as a term these days.

Although whichever specific country it is there likely is a distinct culture, which the pp can probably recognise even if a culture is not afforded to here.

Quote " I thought ‘far east’ was out dated as a term these days."

No idea. Is it ?

Quote :"Although whichever specific country it is there likely is a distinct culture, which the pp can probably recognise even if a culture is not afforded to here."

I don't know what that means.

Countries do have different cultures. And even in the same country there are different cultures. Even cultures in specific cultures can have sub cultures.

It's in living memory that the Rockers and Mods cultures in the UK were seen as a threat, then the Punks started up. And I would be pretty certain that if I said there was a pub somewhere in the UK with a Rocker, a Mod and a Punk sitting together, I would not be wrong.

EasternStandard · 31/05/2026 14:53

I thought ‘far east’ was out dated as a term these days.

Although whichever specific country it is there likely is a distinct culture, which the pp can probably recognise even if a culture is not afforded to here.

TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 14:48

I presume you are not a practicing lesbian then if you are able to type?

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 14:45

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 14:27

Thank you for your reply.
I'm guessing that the country you currently live in does not place severe restrictions on your behaviour, whether or not you're allowed to go to school, or drive a car, who you are allowed to marry, sharia law and many other things a severe Islamist state imposes on it's women.
do you honestly not see a difference between democratic countries and an authoritarian state?

Actually, where I am is an authoritarian state. So there is that.

And yet somehow I am able to keep my culture.

In fact, I have the Proclaimers music playing as I type this. No police banging at the door.

So what UK culture is banned in the UK these days ?

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 14:27

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 14:13

Quote : "Where are you living now and what is your 'culture'? that would be interesting. I'll bet any money you're not willing to disclose it!"

I am Scottish. And I am in the far East.

I have Jimmy Shand in my music collection, put up a Christmas tree. There is nothing stopping me from having my culture, even though I am the only Scottish person (that I know of) for many miles.

So if I can do that, why can't British people in Britain do their culture ?

Thank you for your reply.
I'm guessing that the country you currently live in does not place severe restrictions on your behaviour, whether or not you're allowed to go to school, or drive a car, who you are allowed to marry, sharia law and many other things a severe Islamist state imposes on it's women.
do you honestly not see a difference between democratic countries and an authoritarian state?

GiaGia16 · 31/05/2026 14:21

TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 14:19

I'll give you more than one, houses, jobs, holidays, discounts, priority tickets.

Access to NHS.

TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 14:19

CurlewKate · 31/05/2026 13:33

Could you give an example of what you mean by this?

I'll give you more than one, houses, jobs, holidays, discounts, priority tickets.

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 14:13

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 13:38

This is what confuses me. If I can live in a different country, with a culture different to mine, but retain my culture, why do some UK people feel so threatened ?
because they see with their own eyes what happens in Islamic countries. If you want to live an islamic life, then there are many countries to go to. You clearly don't value the freedoms we have in a democratic society.
Where are you living now and what is your 'culture'? that would be interesting.
I'll bet any money you're not willing to disclose it!

Quote : "Where are you living now and what is your 'culture'? that would be interesting. I'll bet any money you're not willing to disclose it!"

I am Scottish. And I am in the far East.

I have Jimmy Shand in my music collection, put up a Christmas tree. There is nothing stopping me from having my culture, even though I am the only Scottish person (that I know of) for many miles.

So if I can do that, why can't British people in Britain do their culture ?

Bridgertonisbest · 31/05/2026 13:57

I grew up very working class and would be considered left wing. I don’t, for a minute think that the only way a working class person can prosper is through benefits. I think that minimum wage should be higher, zero hours contracts should be abolished and fire and re-hire should also be illegal. We need to protect the NHS and properly educate our children so that we are creating a workforce that can benefit our businesses.

Meaningful work is good for the soul, living a life on benefits is not.

FrizzyFrizbee · 31/05/2026 13:41

hairbearbunches · 10/05/2026 09:44

I take exception with this being levelled at the 'left wing'. In my experience, much of the working class is actually left wing, certainly up north in the old industrial heartlands where the votes for Labour could be weighed not that long ago. They're voting Reform because they are desperate for change. If Blair's Labour hadn't let them down so immensely, we wouldn't be where we are now.

It's my experience as a long time, exasperated Guardian reader that the people being referred to are actually liberals. These people despise the working class with a passion. They are the people who champion EDI, but what that looks like to them is giving a black kid from a top public school a leg up rather than a white working class kid with aptitude from a sink school who is excelling against the odds.

I loathe them with every fibre of my being.

I agree with you. And it’s white working class boys who are being failed terribly, but they are the ones the Liberals would demand risk their lives on the front line to save their necks if this country (God forbid) found itself in war again.

I also despise them.

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 13:38

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 13:31

Nope. I have a culture. In fact, I live in a country with a totally different culture to the one I have. Yet, I still have my culture.

This is what confuses me. If I can live in a different country, with a culture different to mine, but retain my culture, why do some UK people feel so threatened ?

This is what confuses me. If I can live in a different country, with a culture different to mine, but retain my culture, why do some UK people feel so threatened ?
because they see with their own eyes what happens in Islamic countries. If you want to live an islamic life, then there are many countries to go to. You clearly don't value the freedoms we have in a democratic society.
Where are you living now and what is your 'culture'? that would be interesting.
I'll bet any money you're not willing to disclose it!

EasternStandard · 31/05/2026 13:33

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 12:52

I think I’m starting to get it now. You’re one of those people who think white people have “no culture”.
Im not going to waste anymore time on you. Enjoy your day!

Yes that comes up on here a fair bit. All the ‘what culture’ just for us, as if everywhere else has a culture bar here.

CurlewKate · 31/05/2026 13:33

TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 10:55

White people are now being put to the end of the queue. So wrong.

Could you give an example of what you mean by this?

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 13:31

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 12:52

I think I’m starting to get it now. You’re one of those people who think white people have “no culture”.
Im not going to waste anymore time on you. Enjoy your day!

Nope. I have a culture. In fact, I live in a country with a totally different culture to the one I have. Yet, I still have my culture.

This is what confuses me. If I can live in a different country, with a culture different to mine, but retain my culture, why do some UK people feel so threatened ?

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 13:25

the freedom to wander alone in the countryside dressed as I want and to have the wind blow through my hair and feel the sun on my face.

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 13:23

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 10:44

I am not understanding what part of their culture is/ will be lost. Or is being lost.

That is what I am asking.

I'm guessing you're not a woman then!

pusspuss9 · 31/05/2026 13:22

Again, what part of your culture has been lost ? Should be easy to answer. What cultural thing were you doing 20 years ago can't you do any more ?
it's the direction of travel isn 't it ? I've listed what happened in similar circumstances in most other countries that were in the same situation as we are now.
Let's discuss this in 20 years time and see what happened!

TalkToTheHand123 · 31/05/2026 13:16

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 11:00

The end of what queue?

The queue to get a kebab on a Friday night ? Or a curry on a Saturday night. Are you waiting too long for a Chinese takeaway to be delivered ?

Any queue. It already happens at some takeaways.

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 12:52

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 12:40

Rabbits are not native to the UK. Imported by Romans. I think you are ok with blackberries. But depends on what variety.

So what culture is it that is being lost ?

I think I’m starting to get it now. You’re one of those people who think white people have “no culture”.
Im not going to waste anymore time on you. Enjoy your day!

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 12:40

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 11:32

Sure let’s let in infinity migrants from countries where wife beating and child marriage are legal because beans are imported.

I don’t actually like baked beans tbh so we can change it to wild rabbit and foraged black berries if you want

Rabbits are not native to the UK. Imported by Romans. I think you are ok with blackberries. But depends on what variety.

So what culture is it that is being lost ?

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 11:32

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 11:24

Baked beans. Made from the Navy bean. That is not a UK crop, it is imported. From the Americas I think.

So Marmite on toast ?

Sure let’s let in infinity migrants from countries where wife beating and child marriage are legal because beans are imported.

I don’t actually like baked beans tbh so we can change it to wild rabbit and foraged black berries if you want

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 11:24

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 11:18

Ah ye olde British food is boring and we need immigration for the curry argument. Not that we don’t have all the recipes on the internet now anyway lol.

I’m at a stage where my response is I’d happily eat beans on toast every night if it meant my daughters could safely walk the streets without risking a grooming gang

Baked beans. Made from the Navy bean. That is not a UK crop, it is imported. From the Americas I think.

So Marmite on toast ?

Wombulo · 31/05/2026 11:18

RedTagAlan · 31/05/2026 11:00

The end of what queue?

The queue to get a kebab on a Friday night ? Or a curry on a Saturday night. Are you waiting too long for a Chinese takeaway to be delivered ?

Ah ye olde British food is boring and we need immigration for the curry argument. Not that we don’t have all the recipes on the internet now anyway lol.

I’m at a stage where my response is I’d happily eat beans on toast every night if it meant my daughters could safely walk the streets without risking a grooming gang

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