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What I would like to ask Reform supporters what are the specific Reform policies they support?

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CurlewKate · 08/05/2026 12:23

Just that really. I am a Labour voter, and I know what Labour policies I support. I think I know what Conservative and Lib Dem policies their supporters like. I don't know about Reform.

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ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 19:08

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 19:06

And yet it happens...in the UK.

I quite agree that those illegal products shouldn’t be in a shop, but if you’re the kind of person who’d buy skin cream from a butcher, you’re the reason we have warning labels on bleach.

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 19:06

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 19:03

That article doesn’t say how “many” (that I could see) and personally I don’t endorse buying skin cream of any kind from a butcher.

And yet it happens...in the UK.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 19:03

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 19:01

But many are selling food items that contravene food safety standards, and importing products that are not legal to sell wrt consumer safety and biosecurity. Skin whitening creams were a big problem.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rzn1pxr3qo
Effective policing, sanctions & occasionally forensic accounting are necessary

That article doesn’t say how “many” (that I could see) and personally I don’t endorse buying skin cream of any kind from a butcher.

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 19:01

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 18:47

I must admit, my local shop doesn’t have heroin on the shelves.

But many are selling food items that contravene food safety standards, and importing products that are not legal to sell wrt consumer safety and biosecurity. Skin whitening creams were a big problem.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rzn1pxr3qo
Effective policing, sanctions & occasionally forensic accounting are necessary

A close up of a black woman applying a white cream to her left hand with her right hand.

Illegal skin lightening cream being sold in butchers across UK, watchdog warns

A trade body has warned illegal skin bleaching products are being sold in an increasingly wide range of places.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rzn1pxr3qo

suburburban · 15/05/2026 18:59

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 18:47

I must admit, my local shop doesn’t have heroin on the shelves.

good

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 18:47

suburburban · 15/05/2026 18:39

But ok to money launder or sell illegal products?

I must admit, my local shop doesn’t have heroin on the shelves.

suburburban · 15/05/2026 18:39

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 18:03

Here are just some of the ways a “mini mart” would support the economy:

  • VAT on eligible goods
  • business rates
  • corporation tax or income tax
  • employee National Insurance contributions

How many of those is someone who has never been employed, by choice, contributing?

But ok to money launder or sell illegal products?

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 18:32

EvieBB · 15/05/2026 17:25

I think a migrant qualified doctor is adding way more value than a white British chav who is choosing not to work and then blaming "all the immigrants" for taking our jobs 🙄

How terribly racist you are. Do you have to be white to be a chav? I guess you're not a Labour voter because the white working class were the founders of the Labour party.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 18:03

suburburban · 15/05/2026 17:53

Yes definitely but not the ones who run vape shops or dodgy mini marts and mafia type activities or people trafficking

Here are just some of the ways a “mini mart” would support the economy:

  • VAT on eligible goods
  • business rates
  • corporation tax or income tax
  • employee National Insurance contributions

How many of those is someone who has never been employed, by choice, contributing?

fairyring25 · 15/05/2026 18:00

@EvieBB
The greens are worrying. They have very extremist policies such as getting rid of nuclear weapons, which would leave us vulnerable to attack by countries like Russia and Iran. They also want to stop the police being able to carry out stop and search, which is important to keep our streets safe. They want to stop formal testing in secondary schools-children do need qualifications. They are anti-semitic.
I am not a Reform voter (mainly because their finances don't add up) but I totally understand Reform voters' concerns.
Immigration is a problem in the UK because so many people are angry about it. When parties like Labour deny their concerns, they are adding fuel to the fire.
People are unsurprisingly angry when:

  1. They can't get a GP appointment due increases in the population
  2. They can't get a school place for their child at the local school due to the increase in the population
  3. They go to A&E and they have to wait considerably longer.
  4. Their children can't get entry-level jobs
  5. They can't get social housing but newly arrived immigrants can
  6. Cheap foreign labour suppressing wages
  7. Hearing about pro-palestine marches when they are scared about extreme Islamists who are against womens' rights e.g. Hamas.
suburburban · 15/05/2026 17:53

EvieBB · 15/05/2026 17:25

I think a migrant qualified doctor is adding way more value than a white British chav who is choosing not to work and then blaming "all the immigrants" for taking our jobs 🙄

Yes definitely but not the ones who run vape shops or dodgy mini marts and mafia type activities or people trafficking

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 17:27

ThisDandyWriter · 15/05/2026 17:10

Have you never had to provide a reference?

Only to confirm payment of rent, no damage to property etc. Not a background check as such.

It wouldn’t have confirmed if I was a “fugitive” or criminal.

My last property didn’t even get an employer reference, they just took my proof of salary.

I think landlords just want their rent paying and their houses not destroying.

EvieBB · 15/05/2026 17:25

suburburban · 15/05/2026 08:52

Yes totally agree

they don’t need to be in the UK in the first place, many of them aren’t adding any value

I think a migrant qualified doctor is adding way more value than a white British chav who is choosing not to work and then blaming "all the immigrants" for taking our jobs 🙄

ThisDandyWriter · 15/05/2026 17:10

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 12:54

When I’ve rented, it has never been subject to a criminal record check.

Or indeed a credit check if they had proof of income, or I’d guess a guarantor if needed.

Why would that be different if I was a migrant?

Have you never had to provide a reference?

suburburban · 15/05/2026 16:55

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 16:48

The whole purpose of government is to mind the interests of its citizens. Why else do we elect them?
You can hardly accuse a newly qualified doctor of swinging the lead.

Yes why indeed but I don’t think the governments in the Uk have put their own citizens first and that is the problem.

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 16:48

suburburban · 15/05/2026 16:33

I think we should be prioritising trained people who reside here first rather than inviting people from overseas surely

The whole purpose of government is to mind the interests of its citizens. Why else do we elect them?
You can hardly accuse a newly qualified doctor of swinging the lead.

suburburban · 15/05/2026 16:33

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 15:01

Now you're talking about qualified people who come into the country through legitimate channels. The people who will find that a threat will be those who are impacted by it.
You may also have noticed the threads about newly qualified UK born doctors not able to find employment in the UK.

I think we should be prioritising trained people who reside here first rather than inviting people from overseas surely

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 15:09

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 14:45

The same could apply to the majority of UK nationals who aren’t net contributors.

You do have to be a relatively high earner, but there are those who do net contribute and don’t use private services. My family is one of them.

There aren’t enough however, from any nationality, that are doing that.

That’s a low wage issue, not an immigration issue.

Low wages in many industries are directly linked to the price that people are willing, or able, to pay for the end product.

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 15:01

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 14:48

Contributing financially - possibly. Not taking benefits back out - likely, they’re usually on “no public funds” visas.

They may be taking it back out in education or health, but many of them work in both of those industries. So we’d have to weigh up their manpower and financial contribution vs their cost for those same services.

It’s a fairly easy decision IMO. I’d rather we had Health Care Assistants, of any nationality, than didn’t have the staff we need in vital services.

Now you're talking about qualified people who come into the country through legitimate channels. The people who will find that a threat will be those who are impacted by it.
You may also have noticed the threads about newly qualified UK born doctors not able to find employment in the UK.

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 14:48

1dayatatime · 15/05/2026 14:35

A family of four with two children in education and one income earner would need to be earning between £70 to £80k Pa in order to break even on their tax revenue vs Government spending on them.

Assuming no special educational or medical needs?

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 14:48

suburburban · 15/05/2026 14:22

Do we though and are they contributing would be my question

Contributing financially - possibly. Not taking benefits back out - likely, they’re usually on “no public funds” visas.

They may be taking it back out in education or health, but many of them work in both of those industries. So we’d have to weigh up their manpower and financial contribution vs their cost for those same services.

It’s a fairly easy decision IMO. I’d rather we had Health Care Assistants, of any nationality, than didn’t have the staff we need in vital services.

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 14:45

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 14:15

Only if they earn enough to pay tax, or don't disappear into the 'shadow'/criminal economy, or do not have dependents that are a net expense.

The chances are you have to be a pretty high earner to cover the cost of state funded healthcare and education for yourself and your family. The chances are that if you're in that position your using the private sector and subsidising the state sector.

The same could apply to the majority of UK nationals who aren’t net contributors.

You do have to be a relatively high earner, but there are those who do net contribute and don’t use private services. My family is one of them.

There aren’t enough however, from any nationality, that are doing that.

That’s a low wage issue, not an immigration issue.

1dayatatime · 15/05/2026 14:35

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 14:15

Only if they earn enough to pay tax, or don't disappear into the 'shadow'/criminal economy, or do not have dependents that are a net expense.

The chances are you have to be a pretty high earner to cover the cost of state funded healthcare and education for yourself and your family. The chances are that if you're in that position your using the private sector and subsidising the state sector.

A family of four with two children in education and one income earner would need to be earning between £70 to £80k Pa in order to break even on their tax revenue vs Government spending on them.

suburburban · 15/05/2026 14:22

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 12:54

If they’re economic migrants, they’re contributing to our taxation.

So maybe we need them.

Do we though and are they contributing would be my question

quantumbutterfly · 15/05/2026 14:15

ChunkyMonkey36 · 15/05/2026 12:54

If they’re economic migrants, they’re contributing to our taxation.

So maybe we need them.

Only if they earn enough to pay tax, or don't disappear into the 'shadow'/criminal economy, or do not have dependents that are a net expense.

The chances are you have to be a pretty high earner to cover the cost of state funded healthcare and education for yourself and your family. The chances are that if you're in that position your using the private sector and subsidising the state sector.