What I would like to ask Reform supporters what are the specific Reform policies they support?

Exactly the same. I think that a Reform government would be the end of the union. An England that elects a Reform government is a nation I know longer wish to be in union with. I hate the idea of independence, but I hate fascists more. So many people I know think similarly.

And when do you open the concentration camps? My goodness you must have a bitter and twisted heart.

Oh lord. Literal turkeys voting for Christmas. I'm sorry for you.

None of them can answer why they personally want a US-style insurance-based healthcare system instead of the NHS. It doesn't seem to dawn on them that they would never be able to afford it. They only parrot what Nigel "man of the people" tells them what to think.

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I clearly remember people talking about those who came from Eastern European countries, usually illegal, doing building work, gardening and the like, taking 'our' jobs, paid in cash, not paying tax, living in HMOs.......

Then we had Brexit.

I am a right wing Tory but I support these policies:

Stop the boats by any means including arrest and detention in harsh conditions
Mass deportation of illegals
Stop overseas aid including Ukraine
Support British culture and values and get rid of this bloody woke garbage
Drop the net zero nonsense
Make work pay - stop in work benefits except to support the disabled
Priority for British born in jobs and social housing

Hmm, I don’t agree they love the UK. They love anyone who can make them wealthier. Or more powerful. I don’t think they give a shit about vast swathes of the population. I think they view a lot of the electorate as gullible and easily manipulated and fair play to them, it’s working.

However we can agree on the Green Party. I think they’re ideologically captured and dangerous.

As is often said on here, the Greens and Reform are two cheeks of the same arse. Both would be a disaster, and both need keeping far away from power.

We are talking about a Reform UK government here, so no doubt post-ECHR, in which case your 9.12million economically inactive will simply be told "go deliver for Amazon for 40 hours per week or your benefits stop".

If you don't believe that Reform is sufficiently mercenary to do precisely this, I'll just point out that it's exactly what happened under previous Tory and Labour governments until the EU put a stop to it. This time there is no EU, and if Reform have their way, no ECHR either, and the benefits in question will no doubt have already been slashed to penury levels beforehand anyway. They have been quite unambiguous about the fact they have no issues with a "work or starve" ethos.

What are these mythical policies you speak off.....

Now on manufacturing I would totally agree with you. An employer could threaten to move their business overseas to say China if the Government didn't provide subsidies (cheaper power, lower workers rights,UC top ups etc).

But for a service sector this doesn't work- Amazon cannot outsource their UK delivery service to China nor can Care Homes.

Yes the Government could be forced into paying worker subsidies but more likely is that Amazon would just put up their prices for delivery.

Except this is absolute pie in the sky, because what would happen in reality is Amazon would go moaning to the UK government, which already subsidises pittance salaries with UC top-ups, thereby enabling companies syphoning billions out of the UK economy in profit to perpetuate a cycle of poverty and wage slavery, complaining that as overheads in the UK are increasing they are having reservations about continuing to invest in the UK, and the UK government, being totally and utterly beholden to business over the citizenry, would further pander to Amazon by eroding employee rights.

The idea that increasing overheads would just be meekly accepted by big business, and that money would eventually end up in the pockets of workers, is so absolutely ridiculous that you can only laugh. There is plenty of precedent for this with the likes of "work for benefits" schemes that have since been outlawed, and in every single instance its the government that panders to business by making up any perceived shortfall, leaving the citizen working for an absolute pittance.

They love the uk. Id say greens are the party of hate.

Oh I'm very aware of the reasons why UK power prices are amongst the highest in the world and it has a lot to do with renewables.

1. Average UK electricity demand is around 32GW going down to a low of 13GW on summer afternoons and a high of 63GW on winter evenings.
2. UK installed generation capacity is 101GW of which 22GW is solar.
3. So on a sunny summer afternoon supply will exceed demand and wholesale prices will go to zero or negative.
4. Now this doesn't bother the solar generators because if the wholesale price drops to zero or negative he still gets topped up to his Government contract price of £65 paid by bill payers. So yes the consumer benefits from having to pay zero for the wholesale electricity price (instead of the usual price of say £65) but they have to pay an additional subsidy price of £65 meaning they are net the same position.
5. Unfortunately though the more solar you build the more zero and negative prices there are and the more subsidies bill payers have to pay on their electricity bills. Installed solar capacity of 22GW is already in excess of summertime average demand. So every new solar farm with its subsidies simply pushes consumer electricity prices ever higher.

Hmmm - I am aware that electricity can be stored
through batteries and pump storage. Are you aware that average electricity demand in the UK is 32.8 GW. All storage (batteries and PS) capacity is 39GWh which means that on a dark windless winter night if you relied on stored electricity then it would only cover demand for 1 hour 12 minutes. After which there is a blackout.

Negative pricing occurs when renewable electricity generation exceeds demand. The renewable generators fuel inputs are free (wind and solar) so they don't care what price they sell the power for because they get topped by their Government CfD contracts, the cost of which is added to your electricity bill.

Lastly UK solar farms have an average load factor of 11% they are only profitable with subsidies and getting my power from the sun doesn't really help me on a dark winter evening.

If it works like that, why do Scotland pay even more than England for electricity yet generate enough from renewables alone? This is proof WE won’t get cheaper electricity we will just get higher food costs to go with our even higher electricity bills, whilst losing our productive farmland and our beautiful countryside.

The OP asked why people are/would vote reform and for those areas massively affected by this, this is the main and often only reason given when asked.

I’m completely aware. Nobody claims solar alone can power the UK year-round. The point is that cheap daytime solar (solar panels are particularly cheap right now) can reduce gas use and diversify supply, while taking up only a tiny fraction of UK land.

It’s all about having a good mix of an energy supply and not being too reliant upon one.

Solar is not why the UK energy bills are high. The reasons for that are very complicated and down to numerous factors but a key one is the price of Gas.

Renewables are expensive to build, but once running they’re less exposed to rising fuel prices than gas or coal.

Are you aware that the salaries paid in many jobs that are taken by immigrants are so low that they are not enough to live on? And are way below what benefits are paying you? And are only profitable if you live in a room with 12 other people and dont have a family?

Eastern Europeans were willing to take them because they came here to earn a bit and then go home. Bangladeshi etc people are doing the same. Brits are staying on benefits, as they simply would not survive on a shitty zero hours wage of a food delivery man.

Edited: If Amazon would ever pay a "living" wage you would be the first one to complain how expensive everything is, and would vote with your feet to buy stuff from temu or some other shady Chinese owned company.

You clearly have no idea how any of this works. Are you even aware that energy can be stored? That it can be fed back into the grid? Create "negative pricing"?

Clean energy is cheaper and more efficient in the long run and makes us independent and not reliant on fossil fuel which is not infinite. How is getting your energy from sun is not better than paying for oil and coal to some nutter like Trump? Stupid statement.

I am British, actually.

The irony in the last decade though, when so many people who initially wanted the Eastern Europeans out or blocked from coming then decided they weren’t so bad after all, and that they were largely hard working and infinitely better than asylum seekers, or the later wave of economic migrants from Africa/Asia/the ME. After Brexit, there was a period of lamenting the large numbers of Eastern Europeans leaving the UK.

Now it is the turn of the next wave of immigrants to have the spotlight on them. There always has to be someone to blame for others perceived misfortunes, and once it was Eastern Europeans, now it’s illegal migrants / asylum seekers - whatever you choose to call them. I’m saying it’s an easy target for a lazy media, and for hopeless, inadequate politicians of all colours - they simply divide the people, and conquer. And we let them.

I never said what my own thoughts were on the subject of immigration, nor do you know which way I lean politically.

It is quite the leap for you to assume I am looking down my nose at anyone.

There are 9.12 million British citizens that are economically inactive. Now you may wish to write them all off as unemployable, but I don't.

The reality is that Amazon employs migrant labour for deliveries because they are cheaper. If Amazon didn't have this option then they would either have to pay UK nationals a high enough wage to recruit them or not deliver their stuff. It's really quite simple.

Who said anything about fossil fuels?! Not sure if you’re aware but there isn’t only 2 ways to generate electricity….and in the uk solar certainly isn’t the most efficient, especially on the farm land used to grow the majority of the country’s potato’s and carrots 🤦‍♀️

Except it's not cheaper - a solar farm over 15 years of it's Government CfD contract would receive around £500k per MW of Government subsidy or for a large 500 MW development £250 million.

But that doesn't take account of the additional cost to bill payers of building the new grid connections to it or the need to build additional and massive amounts of long duration storage to cover times when it's not sunny.

Conversely when it is sunny then there is increasingly more power being produced from solar than there is demand . So it's not even needed. And building more solar won't help you when you do need the power on long dark winter evenings.

Honestly it's totally pointless and costs a lot of money, which goes on your electricity bills and is why the UK has amongst the highest power prices in the world.

The same people who voted for Brexit are now moaning about all the "third world" people coming in to fill in the positions left vacant by the Europeans who left because of Brexit. They were told it would happen but they just said "British people will fill in all the positions" and " its Project Fear".

You CHOSE to have a Bangladeshi man doing a job no Brit would do over a Polish one. Get over it.