New poll finds only privileged people will vote for Labour - but why?

Ignore my question by the way, I see it's been answered

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Doesn’t make much difference if you’re not eligible for those benefits, it was never a 2 child benefit cap, it only ever related to the child element in universal credit so if you’re not on UC it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. Labour have decided not to go through with the conservatives plan to make child benefit much fairer and dependant on household not individual income, we’d of not had to cancel the kids swimming lessons if they had

Most of the wealthy young couples near us are now displaying Green party posters in the window and previously it was Labour. most of them are quite dim and we dont really chat to them...all have big expensive electric cars and seem to earn huge amounts of money for non stop renovations and food deliveries...All the traditional working class have sold up and cashed in and moved to norfolk etc !!

Is that the definition of privilege now?

How are we defining "financially stable" please?

Same.
Hell would freeze over before I'd vote Reform or the Green party.

Check the poll you posted. "Financial wellbeing segment trends". Dec '25 the financially precarious and extremely vulnerable both had a fair dip. I have clipped it and attached.

Just about coping shot up a bit in the same period, but it's still less than in sept '22.

Difficult to tell as much of the graphs appear to be trend rather than data points. But it does appear that labour policies are starting to kick in to help the poorest. But then Trumps war happened.

Financially precarious is a success story it seems. As is Extremely vulnerable. Just about coping is not good.

I don't see any data points there that show trans policy had any impact.

Going by that poll, labour policies do appear to be working for many.

I hate this horrible dismissal of Brexit voters and over generalisation of them being Reform voters and the stupid use of the word 'furriners'. The one thing our electoral system does is give everyone's vote equal weight. I might not agree with the way people vote, they might not be educated, they might not have thought much about policies, they might even have spent hours agonising over their vote - but their vote counts just as much as yours. Their outlook may be very different to yours - their concerns are very different to yours. But their votes counts just as much as any sneery 'educated' vote.

Except they abolished the 2 child benefit cap and did a u turn on proposed unpopular benefits cuts. I would genuinely love to know what reform will do for poor / working class people. What’s their solution to the economic crisis?

For us personally it depends if that would mean that we’d be taxed so much that it would wipe out our universal basic income? We’d appreciate a bit of a tax break while we’ve got the high cost of raising children and the scrapping of the higher income child benefit charge but probably wouldn’t mind current taxation levels otherwise, they’re just not sustainable for alot of people raising a family, particularly if paying off student loans, a blended family etc. I’m not really in favour of the government taking with one hand to give it back to me with the other, just let us keep enough of our earnings to give our children a decent standard of living

Do you live somewhere impacted by asylum seekers?

Maybe. But look at the data in the report.

Screen clip attached. All the categories are pretty flat. " Comfortably off" is interesting. A peak in dec '22 at 23%. Then a slow gradient down to a wobble end of '25 to now. Precarious and ext vulnerable both went down a fair bit in that same time period ( end lst year to now). But the data appears to be more a trend between Mar 23 and now. So difficult to tell.

Consider this. If you had a nation that had a universal basic income, and allocated low rent housing, then the % of people that self report as "comfortably off" would be high. No matter the taxation levels.

Absolutely and I think that’s where the issue lies, people hear this talk of any child in a family on UC being classed as in poverty and roll their eyes. I wouldn’t want any child to go without a decent life in but in efforts to equalise things for everyone and the assumptions made, those not on benefits but struggling feel their children go without many of the things they see families they know are on benefits enjoy due to HAF, heavy subsidies etc. I think a lot of this is caused by taxing parents as if they had no children so unless you’re on benefits your children get ignored economically

Single policy voting. A staple of US politics being imported into the UK. "Never mind about all that, what matters is trans in bathrooms".

Other policies don't matter if you can enlarge the single issue core. So always crowbar it in.

Because populism and fascism flourish when there are economic difficulties; they always have. This should be a surprise to no one. Germany post WW1 is a clear example. It’s not a surprise that the people who are doing the worst want to vote Reform; we already saw this in America. People no longer vote for people who love the things they love. They seem to all be voting for whoever hates the people they hate. Also, every party uses misleading propaganda. I would NEVER have voted for a party who supported Brexit after Brexit, since it was obvious how much the proponents lied about everything, and since it’s been such an absolute shit show, BUT, yes. The people who voted Brexit are now Reform voters, so I guess they enjoyed being lied to about Brexit so much that they want Reform to have a chance to lie to them about everything. They want to blame everything, from the NHS being underfunded to potholes, on “furriners”. The truth is… it’s just more of this regularly scheduled late-capitalist hellscape. As long as the largest corporations are run by (occasionally psychotic) male narcissists, nothing will get any better, since it’s the corporations that have the power.

You think Blair’s dc are representative of much of the population? Wealthy enough to have trust funds, pay schools fees, buy your dc houses is not your average labour voter or comfortably off person!

This is a great post and why tribal politics is pointless.

I’m in a different country. Our leftist party does still have the economic policy that best supports the least privileged in society. It also supports social policy that does not negatively impact the most privileged in any meaningful way, but can actually create practical difficulties for people without economic power.

I won’t vote conservative because they do more harm than good, even if there are a few places I think they might be helping marginalized people. It’s easy for me to look at the big picture when it’s not my day to day life being impacted.

Quote "And why are people on benefits more likely to vote Reform?!"

I suspect people posting on social media misrepresenting poll data might play a part ?

Well I’m confused as I thought all the millionaires had left due to labour?

And why are people on benefits more likely to vote Reform?!

Ideologically pure ex Labourites spitting their dummies out?

Why ?

Peoples politics change. For every financially secure PhD moving to become conservative, there are loads of students starting out wearing Che Guevara tee shirts.

Is that not the natural order of things ?

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Mortgage rates fluctuated far more under the Tory party’s policy of using them for political gain. One of the first things Blair did when assuming office, was to grant the BofE independence to set interest rates.

And I don’t imagine Boris Johnson’s children will struggle in life any more than Tony Blair’s but as is always the case, Tories are ‘allowed’ to be wealthy, use private education and live what many consider a privileged life whereas Labour MPs/PMs are berated for the same.

Probably as if you’re actually quite well off you won’t resent the current policies where as for most of the just about/struggling to manage you feel like anything you are able to earn extra etc constantly gets taken away from you. When I was on benefits I was resentful of the fact that my standard of living had nothing to do with what I’d achieved/how hard I worked and now not on any benefits but little increase in standard or living I still feel that, my DH is a higher rate tax payer but we’ve just had to cancel our kids swimming lessons. Everyone either gets lumped into being assumed as rich I.e not on benefits or on benefits and entitled to free things we could never afford for our kids like a day out at Legoland etc. Thank goodness organisations like the scouts etc don’t means test their provision and just try and provide something that would be affordable for everyone