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Scottish General Election

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Differentforgirls · 12/04/2026 14:33

Who are Scottish people voting for next month?

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WhaleEye · 13/04/2026 08:11

I’m politically homeless. I’ll never vote SNP because their track record is dire, won’t vote Lib Dem because they don’t know what a woman is, the greens aren’t focussing on green issues and have very strange views, and labour are a complete disaster. Reform will attract all manner of extreme people.
That leaves Conservative who are extremely weak 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/04/2026 08:11

Coffeeandallthebooks · 13/04/2026 08:06

You are quoting figures from GERS, this includes money spent on Scotland's behalf by the UK.

We never see this money. We are given a fixed amount of grant money, once it is spent, it's gone.
Deficit is run up on money spent by the UK government, and is a national figure which assumes we would spend exactly the same amount if independent, on the same things.

We are only poor as part of the UK. Being able to be independent means having fiscal choice not to spend money on HS2, Channel Tunnel, London Underground, none of which benefit us but under GERS we are responsible for payment of all of these.

Oh FFS why are people still spouting this nonsense. Any indirect link from Scottish taxes to HS2 is balanced by extra block grant funding via Barnett.

Coffeeandallthebooks · 13/04/2026 08:06

ProudAmberTurtle · 13/04/2026 07:55

This is not true. Scotland runs a large net fiscal deficit and receives a substantial implicit transfer from the rest of the UK (predominantly England, as it is ~84% of the UK population and economy).
Latest GERS (2024-25): Scotland's net fiscal deficit is £26.2–26.5 billion (11.6–11.7% of GDP).1b71ca
UK-wide deficit: 5.1% of GDP.

Implied transfer to Scotland: Roughly £14–15 billion per year (the gap between Scotland's actual deficit and its population share of the UK deficit). This equates to ~£2,600+ per person higher public spending than the UK average.

Scotland raises roughly the UK-average revenue per head but benefits from much higher spending per head (via the Barnett formula and other mechanisms). This redistribution comes overwhelmingly from England's taxpayers.

You are quoting figures from GERS, this includes money spent on Scotland's behalf by the UK.

We never see this money. We are given a fixed amount of grant money, once it is spent, it's gone.
Deficit is run up on money spent by the UK government, and is a national figure which assumes we would spend exactly the same amount if independent, on the same things.

We are only poor as part of the UK. Being able to be independent means having fiscal choice not to spend money on HS2, Channel Tunnel, London Underground, none of which benefit us but under GERS we are responsible for payment of all of these.

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 07:57

ProudAmberTurtle · 13/04/2026 07:55

This is not true. Scotland runs a large net fiscal deficit and receives a substantial implicit transfer from the rest of the UK (predominantly England, as it is ~84% of the UK population and economy).
Latest GERS (2024-25): Scotland's net fiscal deficit is £26.2–26.5 billion (11.6–11.7% of GDP).1b71ca
UK-wide deficit: 5.1% of GDP.

Implied transfer to Scotland: Roughly £14–15 billion per year (the gap between Scotland's actual deficit and its population share of the UK deficit). This equates to ~£2,600+ per person higher public spending than the UK average.

Scotland raises roughly the UK-average revenue per head but benefits from much higher spending per head (via the Barnett formula and other mechanisms). This redistribution comes overwhelmingly from England's taxpayers.

There are only two areas of the UK that are net contributors.

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ProudAmberTurtle · 13/04/2026 07:55

Coffeeandallthebooks · 12/04/2026 15:15

We do not get any subsidies from England. All countries in the UK are 'subsidised' because there is a deficit.
If you compare the deficits for devolved governments, and subtract the remainder of the UK deficit, England has far more subsidy, even per capita.

That is why I would like to see independence so that these ideas of subsidies which are proven to be untrue.

This is not true. Scotland runs a large net fiscal deficit and receives a substantial implicit transfer from the rest of the UK (predominantly England, as it is ~84% of the UK population and economy).
Latest GERS (2024-25): Scotland's net fiscal deficit is £26.2–26.5 billion (11.6–11.7% of GDP).1b71ca
UK-wide deficit: 5.1% of GDP.

Implied transfer to Scotland: Roughly £14–15 billion per year (the gap between Scotland's actual deficit and its population share of the UK deficit). This equates to ~£2,600+ per person higher public spending than the UK average.

Scotland raises roughly the UK-average revenue per head but benefits from much higher spending per head (via the Barnett formula and other mechanisms). This redistribution comes overwhelmingly from England's taxpayers.

ProudAmberTurtle · 13/04/2026 07:45

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:43

Taxes flow from Scots to London bar the Holyrood income tax.

All VAT, income tax, NI, dividend income, savings tax, IHT - all to London.

Of the above, we get back our so called subsidy via Barnett.

From Barnett funding is then decided for tbe devolved areas of responsibility like the NHS.

It is a critique of the entire UK that HM Treasury chronically underfunds all areas bar London & the SE.

Independence grants full financial leverage. And the currency issue? A country can use whatever currency it wants with the caveat that the issuing country of that currency can push interest rates up to make it hard.

Rejoining the EU issue? Spain has also said that they WOULD NOT block Scotland IF London gave up Gibraltar. That little side issue is ignored by unionists.

Scotland gets more than £20 BILLION pounds a year more in spending than it brings in via tax.

Every year.

Sounds like we're both very happy for Scotland to lose that.

YellingAway · 13/04/2026 07:35

@Freysimo i did notice that, picked up on one comment re trans to tell me to look at the wider picture whilst completely ignoring the wider issues I stated.

As for another indyref. We really need to move on from that and concentrate on fixing the current issues but I suspect that it’s easier to blame Westminster for everything rather than roll up the sleeves and govern.

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 07:34

GaiaGarden · 13/04/2026 07:26

The only way that I think a second referendum right now would be justified is if that were the ONLY policy of a party that then wins a majority. Otherwise, I feel it is wrong that the SNP somehow think that if they get a majority, that’s what ‘the people asked for’. As if they only have that one policy.

I think the SNP would have much more respect if they had accepted the last (pretty recent still) referendum and parked their dominant focus on that, and said so. Then focus on everything but Indy 2. I would have respected that especially when there are so many things that need attention, time, and improvement. But I know that would never happen as that is why they exist.

That will never happen though as people are also voting for a 5 year Govt.

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GaiaGarden · 13/04/2026 07:26

The only way that I think a second referendum right now would be justified is if that were the ONLY policy of a party that then wins a majority. Otherwise, I feel it is wrong that the SNP somehow think that if they get a majority, that’s what ‘the people asked for’. As if they only have that one policy.

I think the SNP would have much more respect if they had accepted the last (pretty recent still) referendum and parked their dominant focus on that, and said so. Then focus on everything but Indy 2. I would have respected that especially when there are so many things that need attention, time, and improvement. But I know that would never happen as that is why they exist.

celticnations · 13/04/2026 07:25

Igneococcus · 13/04/2026 06:55

Taxes flow from Scots to London bar the Holyrood income tax.
All VAT, income tax, NI, dividend income, savings tax, IHT - all to London.

Income tax stays in Scotland. What would be the point of higher income tax for Scottish workers (above £30K) compared to the rest UK ones if the money would leave Scotland?

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No.

That portion of income tax raised by Holyrood for Holyrood stays with Holyrood.

Eg Before the Holyrood tax was raised, you still paid income tax to HMRC. You always did & do so now. Hence HMRC sending letters everywhere to all taxpayers in each constituent UK Nation.

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 07:21

celticnations · 13/04/2026 07:20

@Differentforgirls Just been looking at 2011.

SNP/SNP for me.

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celticnations · 13/04/2026 07:20

@Differentforgirls Just been looking at 2011.

SNP/SNP for me.

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 07:15

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:51

No, I didn't know that!

I was watching that YT Podcast from Barrhead Boy & saw the Alliance lass.

In that case if far right, no.

Does SNP SNP work? I generally vote SNP SNP..

Yes. ISP left the Alliance because Craig Murray and Tommy Sheridan are standing so there’s only sovereignty left. James Kelly has a few articles in his blog about it all.

SNP/SNP is how we got a majority in 2011 and a referendum!

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Freysimo · 13/04/2026 07:07

YellingAway · 12/04/2026 21:58

In addition to my concerns about education, health, investment, can I also add in the ferries debacle. I really don’t think that people realise how much islanders rely on these lifeline services. They don’t just bring in tourists, but medicines, transport islanders to hospital appointments, including cancer treatment, and infrastructure equipment.

The SNP have demonstrated a complete disregard for/lack of awareness about these issues especially in light of the ongoing debacle with the Glen Sannox et al.

I note OP hasn't responded to your post. I can't believe Scottish folk would vote SNP after the mismanagement and scandals. I'm in Wales and I very much fear Plaid Cymru supported by Greens and/or Labour will be main party after May.

Motheranddaughter · 13/04/2026 07:02

Will be voting Lib Dem
I am against Independence and definitely don’t want another referendum
We had one, the Nats lost
My DC are early 20s ,I worry for their futures if we got independence
The SNPs record in Government is shocking

Igneococcus · 13/04/2026 06:55

Taxes flow from Scots to London bar the Holyrood income tax.
All VAT, income tax, NI, dividend income, savings tax, IHT - all to London.

Income tax stays in Scotland. What would be the point of higher income tax for Scottish workers (above £30K) compared to the rest UK ones if the money would leave Scotland?

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:51

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 06:49

The second vote is the more important one. That decides who forms the Govt. Do you know that the alliance are far right?

No, I didn't know that!

I was watching that YT Podcast from Barrhead Boy & saw the Alliance lass.

In that case if far right, no.

Does SNP SNP work? I generally vote SNP SNP..

Differentforgirls · 13/04/2026 06:49

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:33

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that voting SNPx2 does not give the SNP more seats? Which is scandalous.

Maybe I'll give my second vote to Alliance to liberate Scotland.

I need to research that more. It's a flaw designed in by Westminster.

The second vote is the more important one. That decides who forms the Govt. Do you know that the alliance are far right?

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celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:45

AgnesMcDoo · 12/04/2026 15:26

Libdem for 1st time

SNP have fucked the country and I’m anti Indy plus all the trans stuff
Labour are hopeless and are fucking the rest of UK
Tories no thanks
Reform - repulsive
Greens - total loons

So Libdems for both my votes.

shame the cult of SNP will continue though. Looks like they are on for a majority

DH is spoiling his ballot and first time voter DS is probably voting Labour

Edited

A cult?

Political Party I think.

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:43

ProudAmberTurtle · 12/04/2026 15:09

Would LOVE to see Scotland survive without the subsidies it gets from England. We might find those nasty far right parties all of a sudden becoming quite popular there all of a sudden.

As for the election. The SNP are miles ahead in the polls because the SNP can blame everything wrong on Labour.

Which is odd, cos they've been in power for two generations and their only achievement was putting male rapists in women's prisons.

Taxes flow from Scots to London bar the Holyrood income tax.

All VAT, income tax, NI, dividend income, savings tax, IHT - all to London.

Of the above, we get back our so called subsidy via Barnett.

From Barnett funding is then decided for tbe devolved areas of responsibility like the NHS.

It is a critique of the entire UK that HM Treasury chronically underfunds all areas bar London & the SE.

Independence grants full financial leverage. And the currency issue? A country can use whatever currency it wants with the caveat that the issuing country of that currency can push interest rates up to make it hard.

Rejoining the EU issue? Spain has also said that they WOULD NOT block Scotland IF London gave up Gibraltar. That little side issue is ignored by unionists.

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:33

Differentforgirls · 12/04/2026 14:34

I’m SNPX2.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read that voting SNPx2 does not give the SNP more seats? Which is scandalous.

Maybe I'll give my second vote to Alliance to liberate Scotland.

I need to research that more. It's a flaw designed in by Westminster.

celticnations · 13/04/2026 06:29

Differentforgirls · 12/04/2026 14:33

Who are Scottish people voting for next month?

SNP & Alliance to liberate Scotland.

I believe that the UK needs constutional reform to balance out the fact that one large nation is able to dictate political outcomes that are not desired by the smaller nations eg Brexit.

Additionally, I suspect that Westminster cares nought about "the regions" except in elections. And I include English northern regions & our Cornish cousins in that.

The above outweighs for me Holyrood's gender inequality fracas.

I voted against Indy last time. Next time I will be voting Yes unless Westminster removes FPTP.

ElliePhant28 · 12/04/2026 22:42

Need to dig deeper than 26k. Think you’ll be out of pocket for a fair bit more than that. 31k+200k+whatever the 3rd link totals. Even you must see the money wasted on papers nobody reads.

Differentforgirls · 12/04/2026 22:30

ElliePhant28 · 12/04/2026 22:28

A lot of spending has been allocated to promoting Independence since the last IndyRef.
These show some publishing costs:
31k for 1 paper
https://www.gov.scot/publications/a-fresh-start-with-independence-publication-costs/
200k for a series
https://www.gov.scot/publications/building-a-new-scotland-papers-costs/
and who knows what this totals
https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202200306332/

These figures seem to be only the publishing costs, not civil service time.

26 grand? If it helps I’ll pay it back. 😬

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Thislittlekitten · 12/04/2026 22:29

I find myself politically homeless right now. I plan to vote tactically for Labour to lower the vote for SNP. It might prove fruitless but it’s something I can do.

I don’t want Independence, I am pro woman’s rights which doesn’t mean I’m anti trans but I feel woman’s rights are being attacked day by day. Also I work in education and the policies and cuts are making our jobs harder and harder each day. Sen provision and support are being eradicated. It’s shameful.

I am proud to be Scottish but I feel embarrassed saying it because of the nationalistic connections.