Have these latest government U-turns shown a new low in competence?

We know...youv'e said..at length. Starmer is wrong about everything.

Yeah but 13% feeling optimistic isn't the same as 90% thinking she's messed it up.

It is stagnating, there's no doubt about that. And it's hard to have optimism about stagnation but it's definitely not the same as crashing or ruining the economy.

Sunak deliberately damaged the UK economy in order to make life hard for Labour.
He cut (via Hunt) NI by 4%, without any means or ideas on how to fund it, he knew he'd lose the GE, after the first 2% cut didn't move the 'polls, he still cut it further... why? only one reason....

Reeves now has to find £11billion and rising each and every year.

That £11 billion would be very handy now for Defence, Dentistry etc etc

well you won't hear an argument from me there!

I’ve just listened to Kemi Badenoch on the radio saying that labour didn’t act decisively enough when there’s been civil unrest and said they should’ve acted more like the Conservative party in 2011 after the looting with a strong message to looters that they won’t get away with it. And yet when they did exactly that after the riots over the Southport incident, they were criticised for being too heavy handed.

people have short memories and lots of opinions when they aren’t the ones making the decisions but whether I’d vote for him or not, nothing Starmer has done has been objectively selfish, evil or malicious.

Nope, you re over reacting now, if i wasn't listening to you, i wouldn't be replying, i disagree on some of your points, not all.

You mentioned Grooming Gang Inquiry.... well, the new inquiry wont come up with anything the previous one, that lasted 8 years, came up with and Labour are implementing their findings, the previous Govt ignored ALL the 22 recommendations.....

Calls for yet another inquiry has been done by people who couldn't give a XXXX about victims.

The economy is doing slightly better (still v poor) than the 20 months prior to July 2024.... we had a recession in the last 6months of 2023.

How about lack of action on Social Care? Dentistry? road mtce? 3 manifesto promises not even started to change....

You have swallowed the 'media narrative of constant U-Turns, when the reality is, unless its official policy, its always subject to change, this is just how it is, all Govts do similar.

Google Government Green Papers vs White Papers?

I’d choose alternative adjectives to ‘unkind’… Criticism and debate is healthy, but these threads are repetitive and frequently descend to the gutter; more of a hateful rant based on sweeping generalisations and little context.

Yes but everyone and their dog knows you don’t like Labour, what are you achieving by telling people again?

I missed the study showing 90% of people think they’ve messed up the economy, Chuck us a link would ya…

Another Labour-bashing thread already @ProudAmberTurtle? You are of course free to do this, but your agenda is pretty transparent at this point. Your Reeves/economy thread one where you rage at people on benefits and immigrants is still active.

@ProudAmberTurtle please do tell me about this technology that already exists. I’m fascinated.

I wouldn’t say she’s ‘made a mess’ of the economy. Growth is weaker than hoped and business confidence has taken a hit but inflation is coming down and there’s no sign of a financial crisis. It feels more like the economy is stagnating rather than collapsing and a lot of that is down to global pressures, not just her decisions 🤷🏻‍♀️

Ok so this isn’t a conversation you want to have because you’re not willing to acknowledge any facts or the difference between running a government/campaigning when you aren’t in government. You just want a space to share your distaste for Labour. I always find it difficult to engage with people who are blindly tied to one party or another because no one party is all good or all bad. If you can’t acknowledge that this government has done some good things since coming to power, it’s a non starter.

Reform have u turned on key policy ideas like the 20k tax threshold and they’re at least 3 years away from even potentially being in power. They also flip flopped on support for the war in Iran over the course of a few days. The reality is no party will be able to uphold all its aims.

Some of the things you listed - ie winter fuel - I wish they’d stuck to their guns & not buckled to public opinion but I would rather have a government that listens to feedback than ploughs on regardless.

As someone else said lots of the others weren’t u turns. And almost all of them have been the result of people not understanding the context behind the decisions/being manipulated by parties like reform into believing they’re bad policies.

Sorry but at least half of them are not U - Turns, as there not formally adopted policy... cannot u-turn on a policy in its making.... surely you can understand that?
Even the Chagos deal isn't a U-Turn, the UK Govt cannot unilaterally do any deal without the US's approval, which they have given, then renounced, then approved, then back tracked.

However, you're clearly are a Reform/Tory voter, so will look for problems where there aren't any... there are plenty of things to criticise Labour over, without making stuff up.

I would say every government in my lifetime has been more incompetent than the last one - but surely we've reached the floor now?

23,000 deaths resulting from the 'chaotic' Covid response that could have been avoided. Many millions lost to fraud like Mone's. Leaving the country in an absolute state. Nope, the previous Tory administration is still the most damaging, self serving and incompetent, by a long way.

Has Starmer’s government done anything you approve of? Genuine question. I don’t vote Labour in general, but I think there’s been good and bad, so if you think everything they do is incompetent it’s a bit of a pointless conversation because you’re not going to be open to any alternative views.

I agree. I would rather a Government use evidence and information to make up to date/current decisions.

List please?

They have done 16 U-turns. Totally incompetent, but it’s what it is. 🙄

The Tories were split on the issue.

A deal was well formulated but when Cameron succeeded to the role of FS he took against and stopped it.