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Is Matt Goodwin correct about this?

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molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 09:52

Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

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MayaPinion · 23/03/2026 08:04

Obviously bollocks. People who voted to remain did so because they knew Brexit would be a shit show - and it is. That’s why they’re fucked off, not because they buy avocados from Waitrose now and again.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:58

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:55

We may well have different definitions. Yours is made up and meaningless to anyone except you.

No. It's practical given the nebulous social class differentiators of today's Britain.

Why don't you explain why you disagree?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:57

Dymaxion · 23/03/2026 07:53

Of course his parents were working class. We aren't living in the 1970s. We are in Labour's Britain were there are either people who work or have retired from work (the working class) and people of working age who don't work (the benefits class). You don't need to have got your hands dirty or gone down pit to be working class

So everyone who has a job of any description or level of remuneration is now working class by your definition ? What about those who work and receive benefits ? Or the retired who receive benefits such as the state pension ?

I covered this in my post. Have a look.

Retirees in my definition of working class. If they worked pre retirement. My definition was, if you have a look "people who work or have retired from work"
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People who work and are also on benefits I include as working class. You will note that my definition of thr benefits class is "people of working age who don't work". Thus excluding retirees and people who work.

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:55

We may well have different definitions. Yours is made up and meaningless to anyone except you.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:54

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:51

An NHS executive is not and never has been working class.

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We have different definitions then. Working class does not mean what it meaned back in the good old days.

Got to move with the times, Blossom.

Dymaxion · 23/03/2026 07:53

Of course his parents were working class. We aren't living in the 1970s. We are in Labour's Britain were there are either people who work or have retired from work (the working class) and people of working age who don't work (the benefits class). You don't need to have got your hands dirty or gone down pit to be working class

So everyone who has a job of any description or level of remuneration is now working class by your definition ? What about those who work and receive benefits ? Or the retired who receive benefits such as the state pension ?

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:51

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:45

Of course his parents were working class. We aren't living in the 1970s. We are in Labour's Britain were there are either people who work or have retired from work (the working class) and people of working age who don't work (the benefits class). You don't need to have got your hands dirty or gone down pit to be working class.

An NHS executive is not and never has been working class.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:45

Of course his parents were working class. We aren't living in the 1970s. We are in Labour's Britain were there are either people who work or have retired from work (the working class) and people of working age who don't work (the benefits class). You don't need to have got your hands dirty or gone down pit to be working class.

Zonder · 23/03/2026 07:37

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:35

Most definitely not working class then.

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Not very, no!

BIossomtoes · 23/03/2026 07:35

Zonder · 23/03/2026 07:34

Interesting that on Wikipedia it states that he says he is from a working class background but his colleagues disagreed. He had a single mum, which doesn't necessarily mean working class. His dad was a senior NHS exec and his mum worked for the NHS board.

Most definitely not working class then.

Zonder · 23/03/2026 07:34

Interesting that on Wikipedia it states that he says he is from a working class background but his colleagues disagreed. He had a single mum, which doesn't necessarily mean working class. His dad was a senior NHS exec and his mum worked for the NHS board.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:32

Dymaxion · 23/03/2026 07:30

Anyway, he grew up in a working class family. Is that not good enough for you?

Did he ? That's interesting, what did his parents do ?

Worked, presumably.

Dymaxion · 23/03/2026 07:30

Anyway, he grew up in a working class family. Is that not good enough for you?

Did he ? That's interesting, what did his parents do ?

Imdunfer · 23/03/2026 07:28

BoredZelda · 22/03/2026 17:25

I haven’t heard a single person seriously suggest uneducated people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

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Have you lived on earth for long?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 23/03/2026 07:09

Dymaxion · 22/03/2026 20:04

Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

Born in 1981 ? so three years old when the miners strike happened ? British commentator ? Spent most of his adult life working in higher education and writing books ? I am sure he really understands the challenges of being working class in the UK.

The guy has spent his working life studying the actual topic. And you don't have to have lived through the miner's strike to understand about being working class. And what is defined as working class anyway these days? Most people who work won't support Labour so what is the party of the working class now? Reform. Or the Conservatives.

IDoHaveACrystalBall · 22/03/2026 23:37

Dymaxion · 22/03/2026 20:04

Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

Born in 1981 ? so three years old when the miners strike happened ? British commentator ? Spent most of his adult life working in higher education and writing books ? I am sure he really understands the challenges of being working class in the UK.

What is the relevance of the miners' strike?

Anyway, he grew up in a working class family. Is that not good enough for you?

Zonder · 22/03/2026 23:28

0/10 for originality
10/10 for imagination

Notonthestairs · 22/03/2026 21:16

LunchatthePriory · 22/03/2026 20:58

Word for word this exact OP is lifted from Quora where it appeared two years ago?????

The Original Poster's other thread today was similarly first on Quora but 8 years ago.

How strange.

LunchatthePriory · 22/03/2026 20:58

Word for word this exact OP is lifted from Quora where it appeared two years ago?????

The Original Poster's other thread today was similarly first on Quora but 8 years ago.

Dymaxion · 22/03/2026 20:04

Is professor Matthew Goodwin right that that middle-class leftists are so angry at Brexit, because it is the first time they have lost a major thing and it infuriates then to see the working class get one over on them?

Born in 1981 ? so three years old when the miners strike happened ? British commentator ? Spent most of his adult life working in higher education and writing books ? I am sure he really understands the challenges of being working class in the UK.

EspanaPorfavor · 22/03/2026 19:41

Think she’s talking about Thatcher

Zonder · 22/03/2026 19:41

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 19:02

She was supported by the true working class or trade unionists and miners not the phoney working class who are actually middle class who pretend to be Labour or Lib Dem yet went to Oxbridge and grammar or private schools and live in the Home Counties.

Who was?

Can you not be labour if you went to Oxbridge then, or live in the home counties? Quite funny really - there was an interesting correlation between levels of education and how people voted regarding Brexit.

BIossomtoes · 22/03/2026 19:31

molanasulfi · 22/03/2026 19:02

She was supported by the true working class or trade unionists and miners not the phoney working class who are actually middle class who pretend to be Labour or Lib Dem yet went to Oxbridge and grammar or private schools and live in the Home Counties.

Who was?

MaybeNotBob · 22/03/2026 19:20

Is Matthew Goodwin ever right about anything?

Answer - No.

HTH...

MermaidofRye · 22/03/2026 19:12

I meant to post the poster who quotes the post I have quoted and who says that the laws of libel still exist in this country.