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A passive Prime Minister who prefers process over politics.

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TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 09:14

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000755128315

Quite the listen. A worrying review of Keir Starmer’s approach to being to the top man in the job.

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TeenagersAngst · 16/03/2026 11:20

sunsetsites · 16/03/2026 11:12

I actually think it’s nonsense they anyone has political instincts and can make good decisions without considering the details and process.
The opposite would be a hot head imo, which is pretty much trump, and nothing I desire for the UK.

It really isn't nonsense. It's what distinguishes an average politician from a great politician. Of course details and process are important but that's what junior ministers and civil servants are for.

A PM is like a CEO - they should have a vision and guide those who work under them towards that vision. The reason Labour has seemed so all over the place since they got into power is that Starmer doesn't have a vision.

Not sure why everyone cites Trump as the obvious counter factual to Starmer. There's a lot of potential in between that we could consider.

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sunsetsites · 16/03/2026 11:12

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 13:22

Listen to the podcast. They’re not saying he needs to be like any of those people. They’re saying he doesn’t have political instinct and doesn’t make decisions in the way a prime minister - a leader - should be able to do.

I actually think it’s nonsense they anyone has political instincts and can make good decisions without considering the details and process.
The opposite would be a hot head imo, which is pretty much trump, and nothing I desire for the UK.

StarlightRobot · 16/03/2026 11:06

I don’t see any wisdom in changing the Prime
Minister right now. We need stability. Starmer is still learning this role. Look at how dull John Howard was in Australia, but how he ultimately brought a period of stability and groth to the country. He didn’t need to give shouty speeches or to bang a particular drum. Starmer needs to be given a full term, then the public can decide at the next election. We are all too impatient these days.

I say all of this, and am not even a fan of Starmer.

paolo2145 · 16/03/2026 10:52

Right now Trump is panicking, as the war not going as planned despite, his boasts. Oil prices are surging thanks to Iran blocking Hormuz Straight. Now he is demanding and threatening that UK, NATO & China must help him . He is desperate for us and others to be drawn into his illegal war, which let's be honest, he didn't start to save Iranian people, but rather to help Israel and distract from scandals at home.

He knows, if we or NATO send ships there and they get attacked, we will end up being drawn into another pointless and bloody conflict, but he doesn't care, as he wants a scapegoat and way out.

I hope Starmer, and NATO, refuse to get involved directly in attacking Iran and maintain their current approach.

I for one, will never forget the scaremongering and lies told over Iraq and bombing of Libya and Syria, which led to humanitarian disaster and refugee crisis for Europe,

Pryceosh1987 · 14/03/2026 23:57

I think experience matures out our minds and hearts when working.

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 13:27

Clubbiscuit · 14/03/2026 13:23

I like him. He does the job as a sensible man not a soundbiteTwitter Queen.

He’s on IG enough selling his wares in any case. Well his SM team are. It’s not going to make many feel as you do about him.

Clubbiscuit · 14/03/2026 13:23

I like him. He does the job as a sensible man not a soundbiteTwitter Queen.

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 13:22

FinanceLPlates · 14/03/2026 12:08

I’m not sure being a political animal is a good thing. Donald Trump is a political animal. Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Peter Mandelson…

Listen to the podcast. They’re not saying he needs to be like any of those people. They’re saying he doesn’t have political instinct and doesn’t make decisions in the way a prime minister - a leader - should be able to do.

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FinanceLPlates · 14/03/2026 12:08

I’m not sure being a political animal is a good thing. Donald Trump is a political animal. Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Peter Mandelson…

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 11:58

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:55

One decision on a foreign matter does not a prime minister make.

We have had no growth in the first month of this year. He said growth would be his priority nearly two years ago. What is he doing about that?

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It wasn’t even particularly well handled either the stalling then two days later allowing base use anyway. And slow to send the HMS.

Agree on growth, I’m sure they didn’t think it would stall this long, plus rising unemployment and high youth unemployment.

notimagain · 14/03/2026 11:57

We will defend U.K. interests & help to defend our allies in the region

But HMG appeared to be extremely slow off the mark in doing the above..

To the outside world the UK PM did appear to be dithering, more worried about international law than deploying forces and then thinking through the process whilst they were enroute..

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:55

SpottyAlpaca · 14/03/2026 11:51

Starmer may have his faults, but he has made exactly the right decision on Trump’s illegal Iran war. We will defend U.K. interests & help to defend our allies in the region we won’t attack Iran. Let’s get behind him & support him.

One decision on a foreign matter does not a prime minister make.

We have had no growth in the first month of this year. He said growth would be his priority nearly two years ago. What is he doing about that?

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TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:54

BIossomtoes · 14/03/2026 11:51

It’s not often we agree @TeenagersAngst but this is one of those rare occasions. Bet that scares you!

That's made my day. :)

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BIossomtoes · 14/03/2026 11:51

It’s not often we agree @TeenagersAngst but this is one of those rare occasions. Bet that scares you!

SpottyAlpaca · 14/03/2026 11:51

Starmer may have his faults, but he has made exactly the right decision on Trump’s illegal Iran war. We will defend U.K. interests & help to defend our allies in the region we won’t attack Iran. Let’s get behind him & support him.

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 11:50

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:47

What I took from the podcast was that he's not a political animal, he doesn't have instincts about what to do in certain situations. He's focused on process, and hopes that by reading lots of stuff, he can make the right decision.

The example of the Scunthorpe steel plant was a good one - his ministers had to prod him to make a decision. He was more focused on the technicalities behind the decision.

I don't think he really thought about where he wanted to take the country after he won the election. I think he was just focused on winning the election and that change would come because Labour had taken power from the chaotic Tories.

It’s his old job, process and briefs. But the gaping political holes are there. Including economic insight and instinct. However not many in Labour have it rn so no one to say you won’t get growth but hamper it with those policies.

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:47

BIossomtoes · 14/03/2026 11:43

I’ve just listened to it and the conclusion appeared to be that he’s obsessive about detail but can’t see the big picture. Which feels pretty accurate to me. He’s far better at geopolitics than on domestic issues so he’s really good at half the job, not particularly great at the other half. I think Mandelson will be his downfall as it’s emerged that Starmer appointed him without interviewing him and outsourced it to the Foreign Office.

What I took from the podcast was that he's not a political animal, he doesn't have instincts about what to do in certain situations. He's focused on process, and hopes that by reading lots of stuff, he can make the right decision.

The example of the Scunthorpe steel plant was a good one - his ministers had to prod him to make a decision. He was more focused on the technicalities behind the decision.

I don't think he really thought about where he wanted to take the country after he won the election. I think he was just focused on winning the election and that change would come because Labour had taken power from the chaotic Tories.

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BIossomtoes · 14/03/2026 11:43

I’ve just listened to it and the conclusion appeared to be that he’s obsessive about detail but can’t see the big picture. Which feels pretty accurate to me. He’s far better at geopolitics than on domestic issues so he’s really good at half the job, not particularly great at the other half. I think Mandelson will be his downfall as it’s emerged that Starmer appointed him without interviewing him and outsourced it to the Foreign Office.

EasternStandard · 14/03/2026 11:35

I haven’t listened but he’s not doing too well. People talk about comms but the current attempts are not helping particularly. If anyone has seen the SM attempts.

AStonedRose · 14/03/2026 11:33

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/03/2026 11:27

Eh, I think he's doing a fairly decent job to be honest. Comms are a bit shit but most of the numbers are starting to go in the right direction. I think he's quietly competent domestically, and good at the foreign stuff.

While the polls are in the toilet at the moment, it's another 3 years till the election and the hopefully the improvements will be hard to ignore by then.

I agree with this. he’s got a lot more right than wrong. He has almost the entirety of the press against him. Good stuff is buried, and bad stuff (and there’s definitely a load of this) has been amplified

a lurch towards the reactionary right is not the answer. It’ll improve nothing at all for ordinary people

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 14/03/2026 11:27

Eh, I think he's doing a fairly decent job to be honest. Comms are a bit shit but most of the numbers are starting to go in the right direction. I think he's quietly competent domestically, and good at the foreign stuff.

While the polls are in the toilet at the moment, it's another 3 years till the election and the hopefully the improvements will be hard to ignore by then.

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:17

Oh dear, you really can't read?

My post at 11.10am. Do I need to screenshot it for you?

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AStonedRose · 14/03/2026 11:16

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:15

Love that a post you don't agree with is 'word soup'.

Try reading, I answered your question.

No you didn’t. Others can read our posts, you know.

Who would do a better job? Genuine question.

TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 11:15

AStonedRose · 14/03/2026 11:13

Ridiculous evasive word soup.

Who would be better then? Genuine question.

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Love that a post you don't agree with is 'word soup'.

Try reading, I answered your question.

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notimagain · 14/03/2026 11:15

Nofeckingway · 14/03/2026 11:04

I am not even in the UK and have come to think that Starmer is playing it right . He doesn't feel the need to give rousing statements to anyone . Just a quiet refusal to raise to the bait . He's not giving in to Trump . Despite Trump's slander he doesn't retaliate as it's beneath him. I am growing to like his style on this histrionic war of words .

Perpetually trying to sit on the fence and not offend/upset anybody doesn't automatically equate to being a good PM.

Lots of leaders around Europe and elsewhere managed to refuse to rise to Trumps bait, but at same time at least some of them reacted to the developing sitiuation and were ready to deploy assets promptly to defend national interests.

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