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A passive Prime Minister who prefers process over politics.

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TeenagersAngst · 14/03/2026 09:14

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000755128315

Quite the listen. A worrying review of Keir Starmer’s approach to being to the top man in the job.

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Smeuse · 18/03/2026 11:09

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 11:07

Hes never read about history. Listen to the podcast.

According to the authors. Or has Starmer confirmed this?

Smeuse · 18/03/2026 11:08

Guido Fawkes had a go at Starmer for not having a favourite book last year.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 11:07

Smeuse · 18/03/2026 11:06

If you don't have a favourite book, it means you have never read about history?

Hes never read about history. Listen to the podcast.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 11:06

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2026 11:01

Most PMs do.

Do they? Which ones in particular?

All of them. I can't imagine any good PM would put themsleves forward for the office unless they had some view of history or human nature. Unless they were deluded. To not be able to name a favourite book they enjoyed is extraordinary. Even if you dont have onr favourite most people could name a few that influenced them or sparked their view of the world or politics. You're not Gen Z fixed to your phone. How did you get your left wing views other than just from your own narrow experience (by narrow I mean just from your own life, not being rude).

Are we now really arguing against the need to read? In a Pm?

Smeuse · 18/03/2026 11:06

If you don't have a favourite book, it means you have never read about history?

Skybunnee · 18/03/2026 11:01

The Mandleson thing -he was given the role just as Trump was turning out to be a bullying nutter and who better to cosy up to him than Mandy with his similar sleazy background. And I think at that time the Epstein stuff had sort of slid from view. It’s only since Me Too ,imv, that the public agree dirty old men using 17 year olds for sex is wrong. The Epstein stuff had been ignored largely.

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2026 11:01

Most PMs do.

Do they? Which ones in particular?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 10:58

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2026 10:42

The majority of people with busy jobs don’t read for pleasure, they don’t have time.

But he seems to never have read much. Hes 62. Anyway Winston Churchill seemed to have found time for books. Most PMs do. Its surely must give you an advantage if youve read a bit of history?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 10:56

BelleEpoque27 · 18/03/2026 10:50

And? Some people don't enjoy reading fiction, it's hardly a crime. My partner doesn't enjoy fiction at all, but he's a highly intelligent man with a decent job and he reads constantly about stuff that does interest him.

Christ, I love reading fiction but I rarely do since I had a kid (7 years ago), because doing a full time job and bringing up a child and trying to fit in exercise and clubs and my other hobbies doesn't leave a huge amount of free time. I've been trying to read the same book since Christmas.

Im not only referring to fiction though. As the podcast says hes not very well read at all. How else would you learn about the world and history and human nature and relations outside your own circle and bubble? I do think those that don't read put themselves at a disadvantage (I include my own children in this who are transfixed by their phones and seldom read books) and Keir Starmer is Pm. Anyway thats just my own personal view.

BelleEpoque27 · 18/03/2026 10:50

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 10:23

Apologies. Correction. Doesn't read novels or history books. He's said it himself. There's a difference between technically reading stuff (like for work) and reading for pleasure (which he doesn't apparently do). That's what I would define as "reading".

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And? Some people don't enjoy reading fiction, it's hardly a crime. My partner doesn't enjoy fiction at all, but he's a highly intelligent man with a decent job and he reads constantly about stuff that does interest him.

Christ, I love reading fiction but I rarely do since I had a kid (7 years ago), because doing a full time job and bringing up a child and trying to fit in exercise and clubs and my other hobbies doesn't leave a huge amount of free time. I've been trying to read the same book since Christmas.

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2026 10:42

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 10:23

Apologies. Correction. Doesn't read novels or history books. He's said it himself. There's a difference between technically reading stuff (like for work) and reading for pleasure (which he doesn't apparently do). That's what I would define as "reading".

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The majority of people with busy jobs don’t read for pleasure, they don’t have time.

BIossomtoes · 18/03/2026 10:41

Smeuse · 18/03/2026 10:22

I don't know how often you listen to the News Agents, but the latest one on Trump, titled 'has Trump lost it' is worth listening to.

I’ve just listened to it. It’s excellent.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 18/03/2026 10:23

BIossomtoes · 17/03/2026 19:11

Remember...he doesn't read and has no knowledge of history...

Odd. The podcast which is the subject of this thread criticises him for doing little but reading …

Apologies. Correction. Doesn't read novels or history books. He's said it himself. There's a difference between technically reading stuff (like for work) and reading for pleasure (which he doesn't apparently do). That's what I would define as "reading".

Smeuse · 18/03/2026 10:22

I don't know how often you listen to the News Agents, but the latest one on Trump, titled 'has Trump lost it' is worth listening to.

TeenagersAngst · 18/03/2026 06:18

twentyeightfishinthepond · 17/03/2026 23:05

It wasn’t.

Did you listen to the podcast? 🤣

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twentyeightfishinthepond · 17/03/2026 23:05

It wasn’t.

TeenagersAngst · 17/03/2026 22:06

twentyeightfishinthepond · 17/03/2026 21:57

The good thing is, he isn’t Trump.

Well yes, that is one thing you can say about Starmer.

And so endeth the nuanced conversation.

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twentyeightfishinthepond · 17/03/2026 21:57

The good thing is, he isn’t Trump.

BeFairOliveBear · 17/03/2026 21:50

I think he's doing a good job. Very happy to have a thoughtful considered PM.
Nobody would be perfect at the job.

TeenagersAngst · 17/03/2026 20:12

BIossomtoes · 17/03/2026 19:59

I don’t either. It’s like being asked to choose your favourite child. And I get through two or three books a week.

I actually agree with you. But I don’t think the suggestion is that he reads too much. I think it’s that he doesn’t read at all (other than work related documents).

https://news.sky.com/video/politicians-need-to-read-novels-to-make-better-decisions-says-the-book-club-podcast-host-13520412

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BIossomtoes · 17/03/2026 19:59

TeenagersAngst · 17/03/2026 19:58

The podcast also mentions that he doesn’t have a favourite book. I assume that’s what PP was referring to although I could be wrong.

I don’t either. It’s like being asked to choose your favourite child. And I get through two or three books a week.

TeenagersAngst · 17/03/2026 19:58

BIossomtoes · 17/03/2026 19:11

Remember...he doesn't read and has no knowledge of history...

Odd. The podcast which is the subject of this thread criticises him for doing little but reading …

The podcast also mentions that he doesn’t have a favourite book. I assume that’s what PP was referring to although I could be wrong.

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BIossomtoes · 17/03/2026 19:11

Remember...he doesn't read and has no knowledge of history...

Odd. The podcast which is the subject of this thread criticises him for doing little but reading …

Pineneedlesincarpet · 17/03/2026 18:09

Smeuse · 17/03/2026 17:57

The authors also said that they conform to what their Times editor wants them to write

Doubt it. Remember one of the journalists (Gabriel Progrund) was the one that Keir Starmer and Labour Together tried to smear by making up lies about him when he uncovered the dodgy Labour accounting.

notimagain · 17/03/2026 18:07

@Smeuse

Did Farage and Badenoch know?

You're asking if Farage and Badenoch knew that the UK could only put one operational carrier to sea?

That's not a state secret, it's well known and something much grumbled about discussed in places where that sort of thing is discussed so you'd expect them or their advisors to know.

When it comes to naval matters and decision making the carrier isn't really yhe problem...it's the tardiness in deciding to deploy air defence assets on the form of a Type 45 that needs addressing...there's a suspicion the spads are lining up the Chief of the Defence Staff to take the fall for that.

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