Why isn’t Trump being overthrown?

I read a really interesting article about the whole area of the US constitution. Apparently, the Founding Fathers based the rights and privileges of the President upon the monarchical model (or what they imagined that to be) of power invested in one man,whereas the UK political system has evolved. It was summarised as the UK is a republic disguised as a monarchy, whilst the US is a monarchy disguised as a republic - made sense to me!

That's not the same?! Trump is acting unconstitutionally. He's literally breaking the law. Starmer is just unpopular.

Even if you did remove trump, there's all the people who put him there. People who like the idea of USA kicking ass and taking it's rightful place in the world. People who think that the USA is overrun with illegals. People who care less about principles of democracy than they do about their own life and circumstances. People who think that God should be in the white house (despite the founding fathers very much not wanting the state to interfere in religion). Most people who voted for him believe that the previous election was stolen - the Dems never really successfully challenged this narrative. Something I find striking about usa politics is that both sides are no entrenched, there's zero goodwill to the other side, there's no trust. I also have a great deal of respect for republicans who don't support Trump, like Mike pence choosing the constitution - as Dumbledore says it takes courage to stand up to our enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to our friends.

If you're really interested in what lies behind then I have 2 podcasts to recommend; the coming storm and Will be wild.

Why isn't Starmer overthrown? Because we live in a democracy and so does the US. And Starmer is doing a lot worse job of running this country than Trump is running America.

Thank you for that, it gives me hope.

Not just your opinion. There is nothing remotely comparable.

The but Starmer posts whenever Trump is mentioned is tedious.

I say that having not voted for Starmer.

If you're bothered about fidelity to the constitution then you will know that you can't just overthrow the President because you don't like what he's doing.

I think Trump is a shit bag, dangerous to America and the world. I wish he'd never been elected and that instead of being in the White House he was a defendant in court.

But he did get elected, twice. So the way to stop him is for the other two branches of the American government to do their jobs better, and for the media to educate voters better. Sadly these things aren't happening nearly enough.

We can't just overthrownangovernment though.

It is likely that Epstein was a Mossad agent and collecting compromat for the Israelis to use on those in power, there were cameras everywhere.
Many politicians - red and some blue seem to have been bought off by Israel. Some had massive changes of heart over Trump over the years, most likely due to revelations and material that could be used for blackmail.
Netanyahu has been able to get the US to fund Israel; did Trump have no option but to follow him into war due to his fear over Epstein revelations? Whatever, it seems it could be terrible, unsurvivable as president, as so much is out there already.
I’m not sure the MAGA base is really with Trump now but it doesn’t matter as long as he’s in power and surrounded himself with the corrupt.
Maybe the failure of the world economy will be a catalyst for regime change but it’s going to be hard for the US to survive that as a superpower/ player on the world stage and will devastate the poor.

He made it clear what he was all about during his first term, and 77 million people voted for him the second time. More than the first time. He's not being overthrown because almost half the country are on his side regardless of what he actually does.

You can’t overthrow a US President. The only ways to ‘remove’ him would be impeachment (which is very unlikely given the republican control of the senate), the 25th amendment (but he has to trigger it so that won’t work), him stepping down (no chance there) or militarily (but they report to the President and I don’t see a coup happening) or he passes away and then it would be Vance (what an upgrade).

You can change leader in the UK but it’s a completely different system in the US. In the same vein you can only be President for four years until you are re-elected and only every be President for two terms.

So yeah that’s why he can’t be ‘overthrown’.

Unless he cancels them due to the war

Why would they? I imagine he has an awful lot of supporters. He must be doing something good for the average American.

The thing I find so baffling is there doesn’t seem to be an opposition. I appreciate their system is different to ours but how is a government kept in check there? You can’t overthrow him and he’s surrounded by ‘yes’ men and women.

He's basically the centre of a very successful personality cult. Loads of right-wingers who 15 years ago would have found his lifestyle and policies reprehensible have been sucked in and now believe he can do no wrong. Or people are frightened to speak out against him because it will lead to them being ostracised by their social groups.

And then there's a lot of right-leaning people who don't agree with him on everything but have decided the perceived excesses of the left (on sex- and gender-related topics mostly) means they must support the Republican candidate at any cost.

There's no mechanisms by which the Democrats can really do anything against him on their own; they would need the support of a big chunk of people of the right.

He started to remove the naysayers from their positions during his 2016 tenure. He has continued to dismantle the instruments (all those checks and balances people talk about) and replace people in positions of power who could remove him from the board. He has made sure that he is surrounded by MAGA yes men (and women) who are all on the same page and will keep him in power and make decisions affecting Americans for years to come. This includes in the highest positions like the US federal courts.

Bu they can impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanours. They’d need 67 senators out of a 100 to ensure they can remove him from office and no sitting party will convict their own president.

That’s just it. It’s your opinion. Everyone has one, and they are all different. In the US many are of the opinion Trump can do no wrong. Many have the opposite opinion. Until the majority against becomes overwhelming he will remain in power. He currently has
massive support, something some on MN can’t get their heads around.

How would it be done and who would replace him?

I don’t think there is a mechanism for his removal. It’s also very hard in this climate to get a truthful view of what US citizens actually think of him and the republicans.

I think something will only go down if he makes a genuine attempt to get re-elected for a 3rd term by changing the piece of legislation that says he can’t. I think he will lose a lot of his own personal supporters and that’s when people will start working against him from the inside.

From his posts, it seems Trump is deeply worried about Texas turning blue, to the point where he's trying to stop the republican's own democratic process to pick their own candidate. That said Trump's endorsement could also be the kiss of death to the candidate!

Trump has openly said if the democrats win in November he will be impeached, so he knows he is on thin ice.

The concern is that the run off between Paxton and Cornyn will be very costly and will cut into their budget to run against the democratic candidate in November. Whilst the democrats have plenty of resources to back Talarico and can pour more in to push it over the line.

The Paxton/Cornyn race is bitter and dirty with them slinging mud at each other, which doesn't cast either in a good light and is too reminiscent of the Trump chaos. Whereas Talarico is younger, more relatable and coherent in his arguments. It seems like the past and the future of politics are going to fight it out in Texas, and the younger generations are pissed off at what is happening to their country.

Texas will be the turning point and Trump knows it.

"He's not doing anything illegal".

His flagship policy, tariffs, has been deemed illegal and companies are now demanding that they be paid back the money that paying the tariffs cost them.

I really hope you're right. I do think there were quite a lot of reasonably sensible voters who voted Trump on a "low tax ticket" expecting him to not do much / to be contained despite the rhetoric and are now horrified.

Or allowed citizens to be killed in the street, or pardoned criminals, or been a sexual predator...I'm more surprised he hasn't been assassinated tbh, rather than overthrown

Because he was democratically elected and there isn't an election for a while.