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Why isn’t Trump being overthrown?

242 replies

itsneverdullinull · 08/03/2026 07:39

I’m sorry if this is a really thick question but I’m guessing that the answers will be multi-faceted.

Why isn’t Trump being overthrown internally in the US? He is presiding over a shit show and trampling over the constitution from what I understand. But there doesn’t seem to be massive resistance to this (or at least none reported). Can anyone explain why this is, please. Genuine question.

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ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:02

Patterns are consistent across eras: WWII, Cold War, and even modern clandestine operations.
The discrepancy between perceived and actual objectives is an institutionalized tool, not an anomaly.
Misalignment can be tactical (field-level vs. strategic) or political (public narrative vs. classified goal).

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:02

Operational and Doctrinal Dynamics
The practice of providing partial or misleading mission information is codified in many military doctrines. Key drivers include:

  • Operational Security (OPSEC): Reducing the risk of leaks if operatives are captured.
  • Psychological Management: Ensuring compliance without overloading participants with potentially demoralizing or morally complex strategic objectives.
  • Layered Command Structures: High-level planners maintain the strategic overview, while tactical operatives focus on immediate mission parameters.
In intelligence parlance, this is akin to “need-to-know” compartmentalization: only those whose role is essential to understanding the full objective are given access.
ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 22:00

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:56

But I presume you will have some view on whether the US/Israel attack has been successful so far?

Seems that so far the Iranians have outplayed you, the regime has not capitulated and they now have the world by its balls with oil prices.

Are you happy with how much it’s costing to fill your car? For what end?

Or do you just believe it’s all going well because Trump has told you so?

nope because i dont know what the true objectives are or the true goals are, how many times in history did we get told it was a mission to achieve one objective and then years later the files said the actual missions were to do x instead yet were were told that the mission was completely different etc

for examples :

Historical Case Studies

The Norwegian Heavy Water Sabotage (WWII)

The raids on the Norsk Hydro plant in Vemork (1942–1943) are the classic example mentioned. Allied commandos, trained and briefed under the guise of preventing German industrial advancement, were told the objective was to destroy a facility critical to the Nazi nuclear program. While the surface-level explanation matched reality in broad terms, the operational planners knew that the mission also served to tie down German forces, provide intelligence for future operations, and test unconventional warfare methods in Scandinavian terrain. Postwar declassified documents reveal additional layers of strategic intent that were not disclosed to the field teams at the time.

Operation Fortitude (WWII)

In preparation for the Normandy landings, the Allies deliberately fed false information to the Germans to suggest the main invasion would occur at Pas de Calais. Many operatives and even lower-level commanders were not fully aware of the deception plans’ scope, reflecting the principle that operational actors often only receive partial truths to preserve mission security.

CIA and Covert Operations (Cold War)

Declassified CIA operations frequently demonstrate similar patterns. Agents involved in interventions, such as coups or paramilitary actions, were sometimes briefed in ways that emphasized immediate tactical objectives (e.g., supporting a friendly faction) without being informed of broader geopolitical goals, such as establishing long-term influence in a region or testing a new doctrine.

Vietnam War Intelligence Discrepancies

U.S. Special Forces missions sometimes targeted sites under ostensibly tactical rationales—disrupting enemy supply lines—while long-term strategic goals included probing local resistance networks or testing counterinsurgency doctrines. Operatives were not always told the full scope, and decades later, declassified documents reveal additional strategic layers

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:58

"and so are the public if they think they have any idea of what truly is going on"

Hmm I don't think there are extraordinarily powerful minds carefully playing secret dark chess games with an overarching masterplan. I thought Boris and his crew were a bunch of coked up backslapping incompetents and Trump's lot are worse. You don't have to be terribly clever to get rich. A monstrous ego and an absolutely ruthless willingness to fuck anyone and everyone over to get what you want, plus a few likeminded - well, not "friends" , but mutually useful acquaintances- will do just fine.

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:56

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:46

i dont have access to cia files so my analysis would be based on newspapers who only have very limited parts of the puzzle, for a true complete analysis then at this time its pointless trying to figure it out

But I presume you will have some view on whether the US/Israel attack has been successful so far?

Seems that so far the Iranians have outplayed you, the regime has not capitulated and they now have the world by its balls with oil prices.

Are you happy with how much it’s costing to fill your car? For what end?

Or do you just believe it’s all going well because Trump has told you so?

BIossomtoes · 24/03/2026 21:56

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:23

yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course and limit all the effects and even profit of the wars etc the stock market alters while the average joe is having their morning coffee

That doesn’t help the average Joe, you know the people whose votes he’s relying on in the mid terms.

Crikeyalmighty · 24/03/2026 21:52

Imdunfer · 08/03/2026 07:42

There is no valid comparison whatsover between the two, imo.

Indeed- personally I would have liked to have got rid of Johnson and Sunak a lot quicker too . Systems just don’t work like that - however in Trumps case the bloke is clearly barking mad and corrupt as hell and his own party and republicans in the congress should be stepping up to out him- though they won’t, because they are frightened of repercussions and most are narcisstic greedy people with few morals -

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:51

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:49

All of this nonsense and threats about obliterating Iran’s power plants and then having to walk back on them. Then declaring that the Iranians called the US asking for a deal.

Yes, you really are asleep if you think that Hegseth or anyone around him has advised him properly or whether they have a clue or more to the point whether he’s even listening.

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and so are the public if they think they have any idea of what truly is going on

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:49

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

All of this nonsense and threats about obliterating Iran’s power plants and then having to walk back on them. Then declaring that the Iranians called the US asking for a deal.

Yes, you really are asleep if you think that Hegseth or anyone around him has advised him properly or whether they have a clue or more to the point whether he’s even listening.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:47

so unless any of the public can say they know better than the Cia then yea

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:46

"depends, as long as he toes the rope etc"

Not be long before the disinhibition is complete and he starts blurting out crap that is seriously inconvenient to his handlers rather than useful crap.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:46

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:44

Well you tell me how that strategy is going so far?

i dont have access to cia files so my analysis would be based on newspapers who only have very limited parts of the puzzle, for a true complete analysis then at this time its pointless trying to figure it out

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:44

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

Well you tell me how that strategy is going so far?

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:42

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:41

"yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course "

Oh I agree entirely. He's a useful idiot for quite a few people, but I think soon will be too idiotic even for this purpose.

depends, as long as he toes the rope etc

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:41

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:38

Things he may get right? Like waging a war with Iran without a strategy? Do think that beneath all the bumbling idiocy there’s really a coherent objective and a strategy for execution (of this excursion, you know, this little holiday to Iran 🙄) and an exit strategy?

I guess there is something called blind faith.

yes there will be a strategy, trumps just the main figure person, how many military, intelligence services , various others involved ? or do people think America is asleep ?

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:41

"yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course "

Oh I agree entirely. He's a useful idiot for quite a few people, but I think soon will be too idiotic even for this purpose.

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 21:38

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 21:24

Because they have a democratic system and unless he illegally stops and election no-one should be trying to overthrow a democratically elected government. It’s what happens in unstable countries and you end up with a situation where governments are overthrown by the people with the most guns.

Anyone lucky enough to be living in a functioning democracy, even if you hate your government needs to appreciate it. I never ever want to live somewhere where its rule by coup. The people who come next are never nice either.

Also you assume he’s wrong about everything because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either but I think that he may actually get some stuff right. Only time will tell.

Things he may get right? Like waging a war with Iran without a strategy? Do think that beneath all the bumbling idiocy there’s really a coherent objective and a strategy for execution (of this excursion, you know, this little holiday to Iran 🙄) and an exit strategy?

I guess there is something called blind faith.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:38

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:35

One thing that surprises me a bit is his support despite things he has said about the military. Considering the general American (possibly especially Republican?) love of war heros, our boys, thank you for your service, excellent drill skills in immaculate uniform and white gloves , saluting the practically sacred flag correctly while the National Anthem is played , bursting with pride over purple hearts and getting arsey about stolen valour and all that...

Well, he got away with the bone spurs thing ok, not ideal, but whatever. But slagging off John McCain for being captured; being a dick to war widows; calling fallen US soldiers suckers and losers; saluting the flag kind of craply when, never having been in the services, he's meant to do the hand on heart thing apparently; and wearing a shit tacky baseball cap when servicemens' bodies are flown home and not even fucking taking it off lest he disturb the ridiculous fluff on his head...I don't know how they stick that attitude. Remove headdress you useless fucker, and fuck off.

usually its because in general you respect the rank / position and not the actual person to a degree

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:35

One thing that surprises me a bit is his support despite things he has said about the military. Considering the general American (possibly especially Republican?) love of war heros, our boys, thank you for your service, excellent drill skills in immaculate uniform and white gloves , saluting the practically sacred flag correctly while the National Anthem is played , bursting with pride over purple hearts and getting arsey about stolen valour and all that...

Well, he got away with the bone spurs thing ok, not ideal, but whatever. But slagging off John McCain for being captured; being a dick to war widows; calling fallen US soldiers suckers and losers; saluting the flag kind of craply when, never having been in the services, he's meant to do the hand on heart thing apparently; and wearing a shit tacky baseball cap when servicemens' bodies are flown home and not even fucking taking it off lest he disturb the ridiculous fluff on his head...I don't know how they stick that attitude. Remove headdress you useless fucker, and fuck off.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:27

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 21:24

Because they have a democratic system and unless he illegally stops and election no-one should be trying to overthrow a democratically elected government. It’s what happens in unstable countries and you end up with a situation where governments are overthrown by the people with the most guns.

Anyone lucky enough to be living in a functioning democracy, even if you hate your government needs to appreciate it. I never ever want to live somewhere where its rule by coup. The people who come next are never nice either.

Also you assume he’s wrong about everything because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either but I think that he may actually get some stuff right. Only time will tell.

thats the other puzzlement with the public they all want a democracy until they get a leader they dont like

Bringemout · 24/03/2026 21:24

Because they have a democratic system and unless he illegally stops and election no-one should be trying to overthrow a democratically elected government. It’s what happens in unstable countries and you end up with a situation where governments are overthrown by the people with the most guns.

Anyone lucky enough to be living in a functioning democracy, even if you hate your government needs to appreciate it. I never ever want to live somewhere where its rule by coup. The people who come next are never nice either.

Also you assume he’s wrong about everything because you don’t like him. I don’t like him either but I think that he may actually get some stuff right. Only time will tell.

ThatPearlkitty · 24/03/2026 21:23

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:13

"BIossomtoes · Today 12:09
The non decent ones will turn on him in a heartbeat when the stock market goes through the floor and the price at the pump goes through the roof. “It’s the economy, stupid”."

This- it's always this. I hope and expect that when the time comes, the personality cult goes with him- Vance doesn't have the style- and all his yes men get scapegoated, blamed for propping him up and washed anyway. I don't know who is going to get the job of diverting the rivers to hose through the Augean stables of selfish incompetents and clear up the mess. Perhaps a woman- when there's shit all over the carpet and the walls and the ceiling, it'll be a woman's job to clear it up, then she can be pushed out of the way so a young white man- preferably quite good looking in a wholesome all American way- reasonably decent but knows how to play the game.

Bernie Sanders is too decent and far too old. Biden was doddering and Trump is worse. I do think he has dementia and it's not even mild at this stage. I went down the rabbit hole on this a bit in the past few days, watching videos analysing his State of the Union address for example- and I do think the commentators who think he has to be whacked up to the eyeballs on go-go juice before he's wheeled on to rant for 2 hours are correct. He even forgot the word "Alzheimers" FGS.

"At a certain age, about 86, 87, he started getting, what do they call it?” Trump asked, pointing to his forehead and looking toward White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.
“Alzheimer’s,” Leavitt replied.
“Like an Alzheimer’s thing. Well, I don’t have it,” Trump added."

The seeds of dementia are sown waaay before it is diagnosed, generally. My dad had it in his late 60s and was passing those types of cognitive tests that Trump boasts about "acing" while he had quite clearly already lost a lot of marbles and too dangerous to be off farming on his own.. By the time he was far gone enough for diagnosis he was only a couple of years away from a dementia nursing home and death followed a couple of years after that.

yet you forget one thing, the power of connections and people knowing whats what in advance with the main stock market companies that then enables them to alter course and limit all the effects and even profit of the wars etc the stock market alters while the average joe is having their morning coffee

Honestyboxy · 24/03/2026 21:20

Meadowfinch · 08/03/2026 07:55

Because a lot of Americans think he's great. They like the idea that the US is "kicking ass".
They have so little exposure to the world outside their own borders they don't know what they are talking about, and their education on world politics is almost zero.

Just think about Trump's idiotic statement that the war has already been won. Iran won't roll over no matter what Trump wants. He's just an ignorant bully. The repercussions of this war will echo around the region for decades, causing new terrorist factions, which will all need addressing.

Unfortunately Trumps grasp of world politics is also zero. He has the vocabulary of a not very bright little boy and speaks as if he’s setting up games of soldiers in his bedroom.

powershowerforanhour · 24/03/2026 21:17

^I've made a couple of typos above. Oh well. At least I didn't refer to Gavin Newsome as POTUS, call dyslexia a learning disability and wimble on about gold curtains when everyone else is talking about something else.

MushMonster · 24/03/2026 21:16

Maggiethecat · 24/03/2026 20:52

I’m surprised that people are surprised by his recklessness.

He showed who he was in his first term and of course the second term would be worse when he realised that he would not even be held to account for inciting the 6 Jan insurrection. Imagine the enormous boost to his already overinflated ego.

It’s also his last term in office (we hope) so why not just burn the whole damn house down?

I know. I am quite ashamed looking back. But I did not expect any of this. At all.