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Kemi just called us all stupid..again

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beguilingeyes · 06/03/2026 11:31

Badenoch is on BBC News standing in front of an armoured vehicle (she's not sitting in a tank yet, but give her time).
When told that the majority of Britons don't want to be involved in this war, she said that we would be if we understood what it meant.
She's happy to have a conversation with the PM, obviously he's too stupid too.
Only she has the intellect required to want to bomb people.

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1dayatatime · 18/03/2026 18:17

Alexandra2001 · 18/03/2026 16:25

Well history isn't on your side is it?

It was left wing young men and women who fought Fascism in the 30s in Spain, the young white right wing men, marched with Mosley and dithered with the Tories.

But of course in war, we have conscription, everyone has to fight.

Absolutely historically you are correct on the Spanish Civil War including famous like George Orwell. And of course the military today has a much higher proportion of women (and in the front line) than historically previous.

However today things are very different with only 11% willing to join up and fight for the UK and even if conscription was introduced 41 to 43% would actively do whatever it takes to avoid fighting.

So aside from defence cuts I really don't think that there is the willingness to fight for one's country anymore even if the UK itself was attacked.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/only-one-in-10-young-brits-would-fight-for-their-country-389702/#

Only one in 10 young Brits would fight for their country

A study into the views of those aged 18-27 carried out with YouGov and Public First has revealed a deep erosion of faith in Britain.

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/only-one-in-10-young-brits-would-fight-for-their-country-389702/#

Alexandra2001 · 18/03/2026 16:25

1dayatatime · 18/03/2026 11:11

Thinking this through I can't any British citizen being willing to fight in a war whatever the circumstances, including where the UK was being invaded by a brutal authoritarian regime.

Looking at this logically, the citizens most likely to feel the patriotic need to join up, defend the country and do the actual fighting and dying would be young white men of all classes, that are often perceived as right wing.

Those least likely to be willing to join up, fight and potentially die would include the progressives, those perceived as left wing, the woke, the old and of course women.

Now under an authoritarian regime the group most likely to get imprisoned or have their rights curtailed, or persecuted and potentially executed or get thrown off tall buildings is definitely not young white males of all classes.

So this creates the key question of why would right leaning young white males of all classes want to join up, fight and potentially die to protect the rights and lives of the section of society that despises or blames them when they are the section of society least at risk.

To paraphrase Niemoller:

First they came for the protesters and left wing
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them.

Then came for the progressives and woke.
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them.

Then they restricted the rights and privileges of the old and women
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them

Then they left me alone
Because they knew that I would fight them if they did and even if they did and won then that would mean that there would be no one left and they would have an empty country.

In summary those most likely to suffer from the UK being attacked and run by a foreign authoritarian regime are the ones least likely to be willing to join up, fight and potentially die for their rights, freedoms and in the extreme their lives, whilst expecting those that are least likely to suffer to join up, fight and potentially die for their rights and freedoms and lives.

Well history isn't on your side is it?

It was left wing young men and women who fought Fascism in the 30s in Spain, the young white right wing men, marched with Mosley and dithered with the Tories.

But of course in war, we have conscription, everyone has to fight.

1dayatatime · 18/03/2026 11:11

Thinking this through I can't any British citizen being willing to fight in a war whatever the circumstances, including where the UK was being invaded by a brutal authoritarian regime.

Looking at this logically, the citizens most likely to feel the patriotic need to join up, defend the country and do the actual fighting and dying would be young white men of all classes, that are often perceived as right wing.

Those least likely to be willing to join up, fight and potentially die would include the progressives, those perceived as left wing, the woke, the old and of course women.

Now under an authoritarian regime the group most likely to get imprisoned or have their rights curtailed, or persecuted and potentially executed or get thrown off tall buildings is definitely not young white males of all classes.

So this creates the key question of why would right leaning young white males of all classes want to join up, fight and potentially die to protect the rights and lives of the section of society that despises or blames them when they are the section of society least at risk.

To paraphrase Niemoller:

First they came for the protesters and left wing
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them.

Then came for the progressives and woke.
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them.

Then they restricted the rights and privileges of the old and women
And they did nothing until it was too late
Because they thought someone else should do it for them

Then they left me alone
Because they knew that I would fight them if they did and even if they did and won then that would mean that there would be no one left and they would have an empty country.

In summary those most likely to suffer from the UK being attacked and run by a foreign authoritarian regime are the ones least likely to be willing to join up, fight and potentially die for their rights, freedoms and in the extreme their lives, whilst expecting those that are least likely to suffer to join up, fight and potentially die for their rights and freedoms and lives.

Sherbs12 · 14/03/2026 21:48

Pacificsunshine · 14/03/2026 19:09

I’ll give it to you. Starmer’s dithering, indecision, and hiding behind non-existent “international law” worked out for him in this instance. 😂

Kemi didn’t say let’s jump in gung ho. She said we should let the USA use our bases and we should protect our people and interests. This us where Starmer eventually got to.

What do you mean by non-existent international law?

He didn’t dither in this instance: he said no to offensive (or rather, pre-emptive) action from UK bases, yes to defensive use. This would be a tricky balance for any PM, but Starmer does seem to be reflecting general public consensus on this.

Smeuse · 14/03/2026 19:33

Trump's comments on Starmer aged well, as did Badenoch's.

Starmer was right from the start.

Pacificsunshine · 14/03/2026 19:09

I’ll give it to you. Starmer’s dithering, indecision, and hiding behind non-existent “international law” worked out for him in this instance. 😂

Kemi didn’t say let’s jump in gung ho. She said we should let the USA use our bases and we should protect our people and interests. This us where Starmer eventually got to.

BIossomtoes · 13/03/2026 14:21

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 12:28

If people can say 'I am not a fan of Starmer but he got this right' then why is it so difficult to say 'I like Badenoch but she got this wrong'?

Because they’re guilty of the slur they lay on us - tribalism. Like you I think Mandelson was an insane choice and showed very poor judgement. It’s not enough to turn me blue (I doubt anything would be). If I were going to change my political allegiance the Greens are my natural choice.

Smeuse · 13/03/2026 12:28

If people can say 'I am not a fan of Starmer but he got this right' then why is it so difficult to say 'I like Badenoch but she got this wrong'?

Drydrydry · 13/03/2026 12:27

They don't. She hasn't. She is. HTH

Sherbs12 · 13/03/2026 12:05

Drydrydry · 13/03/2026 11:11

Where's the tipping point?

Also the end of your post...word salad.

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One tipping point would be Starmer dragging us into a war of choice that goes against international law and has no clear plan, so as to pander to Trump (as Badenoch was proposing).

For clarity/dressing: Badenoch supporters can acknowledge that she called this one wrong initially and has now shifted her position, but they still think she’s the best candidate to lead the Tories at this point. Hope that isn’t too many words for you - I could be more blunt. HTH.

Drydrydry · 13/03/2026 11:11

Sherbs12 · 13/03/2026 11:07

I hope Badenoch does too.

If you’re referencing the Mandelson points at the end, this may astound you, but I can be both a Labour supporter AND critical of their actions/politicians (Mandelson was always the wrong choice, which I’ve said from his initial appointment) - imagine that, being able to recognise flaws in a leader of a party you voted for and not letting my political leanings influence my view of objective reality.

Where's the tipping point?

Also the end of your post...word salad.

Sherbs12 · 13/03/2026 11:07

Drydrydry · 13/03/2026 10:57

Hope Starmer reads it

I hope Badenoch does too.

If you’re referencing the Mandelson points at the end, this may astound you, but I can be both a Labour supporter AND critical of their actions/politicians (Mandelson was always the wrong choice, which I’ve said from his initial appointment) - imagine that, being able to recognise flaws in a leader of a party you voted for and not letting my political leanings influence my view of objective reality.

Drydrydry · 13/03/2026 10:57

Sherbs12 · 13/03/2026 09:09

Hope Starmer reads it

Alexandra2001 · 13/03/2026 07:15

Smeuse · 12/03/2026 19:38

Would it be that bad if she had u-turned?

It is clear now that the US went in without a plan or exit strategy.

No, its never wrong to change ones mind when the evidence shows one was wrong in the first place.

But Badenoch called for UK military involvement, she wanted UK strikes on missile sites, as did Farage, that is military involvement and is offensive in nature... how is it not, its just twisting words to pretend that flying bombing raids over Iran is defensive, Iran wasn't launching drones and missiles pre the US attacks.

To deny that is stupid but then Badenoch (and her supporters) are, she has no policies, no views other than to oppose... if Labour said they'd cut taxes, Badenoch would say they need to go up, she is also quite nasty in her attacks on Labour, go for the policies, sure but she makes it personal.

She leads a party that should be far ahead in the polls against a struggling Labour Govt, yet Tory polling is stuck solidly below 20%.

Thankfully though, she'll lead the Tories to their demise.... silver lining!

TheNuthatch · 13/03/2026 07:01

I've read both of your links, and I also watched that PMQs exchange.
Badenoch is clearly talking about defending our air bases in both.
She hasn't back tracked or u turned.

LittleBowSheep · 13/03/2026 00:08

TheNuthatch · 12/03/2026 19:32

Did you read that before you posted it? That article explains my post above. Except she used a weapon vs bullets analogy, rather than archer vs arrows.
She hasn't u turned. Starmer has.

She has undoubtedly backtracked. It's on record.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2026-03-04/debates/13322AC4-D224-4407-B737-2FEB75AD5866/Engagements#contribution-D9C1E97C-F7DA-4326-BD77-74A0CFF498CE

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 22:39

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:57

@ThatPearlkitty Do I think senators who attended a classified two-hour briefing on the Iran War gained a lot of knowledge about it and were able to form qualified opinions based on that? Yes, I do. Do I think Trump or Hegseth comprehend all parts of the war that they have initiated? Absolutely not.

And I’m guessing your TV training comments are a joke - although to be fair, that would probably be enough to qualify you for this Trump administration, so good luck to you.

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although why the lack of faith in Trump or Hegseth ?

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 22:17

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:57

@ThatPearlkitty Do I think senators who attended a classified two-hour briefing on the Iran War gained a lot of knowledge about it and were able to form qualified opinions based on that? Yes, I do. Do I think Trump or Hegseth comprehend all parts of the war that they have initiated? Absolutely not.

And I’m guessing your TV training comments are a joke - although to be fair, that would probably be enough to qualify you for this Trump administration, so good luck to you.

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yep im daft as a brush and i have much to learn about international espionage.

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:57

@ThatPearlkitty Do I think senators who attended a classified two-hour briefing on the Iran War gained a lot of knowledge about it and were able to form qualified opinions based on that? Yes, I do. Do I think Trump or Hegseth comprehend all parts of the war that they have initiated? Absolutely not.

And I’m guessing your TV training comments are a joke - although to be fair, that would probably be enough to qualify you for this Trump administration, so good luck to you.

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 21:45

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:29

The irony of quoting Shakespeare in relation to an administration so lacking in culture, intelligence and humanity.

Your suggestion that ‘the USA would of had a plan’ (it’s ‘have’ a plan btw), somewhat contradicts the senators who were present in the classified briefing - but perhaps you know better with all of your 007 knowledge.

of course it "contradicts the senators" do you truly think they know all the parts of the war etc ?

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 21:44

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:29

The irony of quoting Shakespeare in relation to an administration so lacking in culture, intelligence and humanity.

Your suggestion that ‘the USA would of had a plan’ (it’s ‘have’ a plan btw), somewhat contradicts the senators who were present in the classified briefing - but perhaps you know better with all of your 007 knowledge.

when you see shows like, alias, spooks, la femme nikita, the unit to get a better understanding of various aspects of espionage etc not to mention the cia library of intelligence studies then it does make one cynical of the main stream media

Sherbs12 · 12/03/2026 21:29

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 20:33

they do say all the worlds a stage

The irony of quoting Shakespeare in relation to an administration so lacking in culture, intelligence and humanity.

Your suggestion that ‘the USA would of had a plan’ (it’s ‘have’ a plan btw), somewhat contradicts the senators who were present in the classified briefing - but perhaps you know better with all of your 007 knowledge.

ThatPearlkitty · 12/03/2026 20:33

Smeuse · 12/03/2026 20:31

In the latest White House video, they are portraying the war as a Nintendo Wii game.

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they do say all the worlds a stage

Smeuse · 12/03/2026 20:31

In the latest White House video, they are portraying the war as a Nintendo Wii game.

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