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Gorton and Denton, what have you done?

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Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 08:53

You have elected as an MP to stand in the UK&NI parliament a person who said in a panel interview with Annabel Tiffin from BBC Northwest Tonight that the Manchester Arena bombing was caused by people sewing division by questioning immigration.

That statement is so outrageous I don't even know where to start.

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cardibach · 01/03/2026 11:58

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:48

Come now Cardi, don’t be like that - you know full well Starmer is not a natural. The superficiality to which you refer sits on top of profound incompetence, and a lack of political judgement and nous.

Oh, and btw, you also know that many voters are drawn to a bed-side manner.

Alas, your PM is lacking in almost every area.

I don’t need him to be a ‘natural’ at behaving like a child or a university debating society. I know some voters do prefer that, but it doesn’t change that it’s a very superficial view, does it?
I disagree with your assessment of his performance.

PandoraSocks · 01/03/2026 11:58

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 11:44

Yep to all this.

Hang on. You told a poster off for calling a Tory-now-Reform politician "ugly". But you're not calling out everyone's favourite Telegraph cut-and-paster?

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2026 11:58

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:56

He’s my PM in name only.

Unfortunately, I am not currently in a position to cancel or ‘deplatform’ him.
That said, he’s evidently quite capable of doing that himself, so I doubt I shall have long to wait.

Ps. What do you think of my earlier post re Polanski’s rapist denier colleague?

Edited

You use of capital letters was very Trump like

charliehungerford · 01/03/2026 11:57

Olderbutwiserpossibly · 28/02/2026 09:54

I find this totally shocking.

What do you find shocking? It’s a fact that many European countries have some dark periods in their history. ‘Great Britain’
wasn’t the only coloniser. Look at the historical colonial past of the French , Portuguese and Belgians.

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:56

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2026 11:53

You don't live in the UK then? Otherwise he is your PM as well

People elected Johnson because he was funny and had a way with words......

He’s my PM in name only.

Unfortunately, I am not currently in a position to cancel or ‘deplatform’ him.
That said, he’s evidently quite capable of doing that himself, so I doubt I shall have long to wait.

Ps. What do you think of my earlier post re Polanski’s rapist denier colleague?

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2026 11:53

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:48

Come now Cardi, don’t be like that - you know full well Starmer is not a natural. The superficiality to which you refer sits on top of profound incompetence, and a lack of political judgement and nous.

Oh, and btw, you also know that many voters are drawn to a bed-side manner.

Alas, your PM is lacking in almost every area.

You don't live in the UK then? Otherwise he is your PM as well

People elected Johnson because he was funny and had a way with words......

taxguru · 01/03/2026 11:53

Labour, Tories and the Libdems NEED to get their head out of their arses and become parties that people can vote for again. If they don't, the future DOES lay with Reform and Greens etc. Time and time again, for years, the voters have been giving a clear verdict that they don't want/like the status quo of how the three major parties had become. The ONLY people at fault are those in those three major parties who have become detached from the reality of people living in the UK and are obsessed with their "echo chambers" and obsessed with London. Time and time again, other politicians have won elections by understanding "normal" people, especially out in the regions, and promising to give them what they want. Look at how Boris won all those "red wall" seats??

placemats · 01/03/2026 11:53

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:42

Kemi is way more impressive than Starmer at PMQ’s - she’s had him on the ropes repeatedly. He is not what you would call a natural orator or debater….

Meanwhile, when he is not shaking or pursing his lips in a barely unconstrained fury, he looks like he wants to leap over the despatch box and get physical. That adenoidal voice rises a couple of octaves - at which point one invariably hits mute on the volume.

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That's just fiction.

Oldwmn · 01/03/2026 11:51

skippy67 · 28/02/2026 09:50

Quite the pivot.

Some people obsess about the most niche things.

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:50

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 11:44

Yep to all this.

Check out the lame defence of Starmer - it’s pathetic, and defies any reason or logic.

Tag team incoming no doubt….

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:48

cardibach · 01/03/2026 11:45

Ah, so your opinion is based on superficials and you prefer a smirk to actual passion and can’t see past a particular tone of voice?
I’ll grant you Badenoch always looks well turned out and has a pleasant speaking voice. She’s really poor at PMQs though. And often a bit childish.

Come now Cardi, don’t be like that - you know full well Starmer is not a natural. The superficiality to which you refer sits on top of profound incompetence, and a lack of political judgement and nous.

Oh, and btw, you also know that many voters are drawn to a bed-side manner.

Alas, your PM is lacking in almost every area.

cardibach · 01/03/2026 11:45

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:42

Kemi is way more impressive than Starmer at PMQ’s - she’s had him on the ropes repeatedly. He is not what you would call a natural orator or debater….

Meanwhile, when he is not shaking or pursing his lips in a barely unconstrained fury, he looks like he wants to leap over the despatch box and get physical. That adenoidal voice rises a couple of octaves - at which point one invariably hits mute on the volume.

Edited

Ah, so your opinion is based on superficials and you prefer a smirk to actual passion and can’t see past a particular tone of voice?
I’ll grant you Badenoch always looks well turned out and has a pleasant speaking voice. She’s really poor at PMQs though. And often a bit childish.

EasternStandard · 01/03/2026 11:44

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:42

Kemi is way more impressive than Starmer at PMQ’s - she’s had him on the ropes repeatedly. He is not what you would call a natural orator or debater….

Meanwhile, when he is not shaking or pursing his lips in a barely unconstrained fury, he looks like he wants to leap over the despatch box and get physical. That adenoidal voice rises a couple of octaves - at which point one invariably hits mute on the volume.

Edited

Yep to all this.

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:42

PandoraSocks · 01/03/2026 11:38

She didn't act that way during last PMQs.

Kemi is way more impressive than Starmer at PMQ’s - she’s had him on the ropes repeatedly. He is not what you would call a natural orator or debater….

Meanwhile, when he is not shaking or pursing his lips in a barely unconstrained fury, he looks like he wants to leap over the despatch box and get physical. That adenoidal voice rises a couple of octaves - at which point one invariably hits mute on the volume.

PandoraSocks · 01/03/2026 11:38

ElizabethFryIsSpinning · 01/03/2026 11:29

Kemi is the only grown up in the room

She didn't act that way during last PMQs.

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 11:35

Onmytod24 · 01/03/2026 11:19

Reform or Green won’t get in the next election. They’ve done their job - we voted for them because we were angry. Labour will learn, reboot and drop its reform light policiesand we’ll see Angela Rayner as Prime Minister

Reset no. 48, then.

Would you like to see Rayner installed as PM before or after her outstanding tax ‘issue’ has been resolved with HMRC?

cardibach · 01/03/2026 11:31

pineapplecrushed · 01/03/2026 01:38

I'm going to vote conservative for the first time ever. I really like Kemi Badenoch. Smart, competent, takes her time to develop policy. She is a 'gets shit done' person. The alliance between Greens and the wider Muslim community won't last as they disagree on all other things outside of Gaza.

Can you explain what shit she got done when she was actually in government? Because I’ve no idea how you’ve come to this conclusion.

LemonLymanDotCom · 01/03/2026 11:29

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 10:26

Do you even know that you owe your ability to fly away on holiday to a great British Inventor?

There is a lot to be proud of in our history. At the moment it is only fashionable to put on a hair shirt and wallow in our past sins while scrutinising them minutely through a lens of 21st century international morality.

I thought the Wright brothers were American?

ElizabethFryIsSpinning · 01/03/2026 11:29

Kemi is the only grown up in the room

Marmalademorning · 01/03/2026 11:27

Onmytod24 · 01/03/2026 11:19

Reform or Green won’t get in the next election. They’ve done their job - we voted for them because we were angry. Labour will learn, reboot and drop its reform light policiesand we’ll see Angela Rayner as Prime Minister

Well, I think you will be in for a surprise then. Now that people have had a taste of life under a Labour government, including the many businesses that have gone under or who are struggling to keep going as a result of policies such as National insurance employers contribution increase, or people who have lost their jobs as a result, will not be voting Labour. I’m in a typical family of four, with myself and my husband working with two kids, and we are a LOT worse off. Labour haven’t got a hope in hell of winning next time, and thankfully G&D isn’t representative of the vast majority of the UK so the Greens w0nt get in either. Thank God.

DuncinToffee · 01/03/2026 11:23

68% of voters in Gorton and Denton voted Green, Labour or Lib Dem.

Onmytod24 · 01/03/2026 11:19

Reform or Green won’t get in the next election. They’ve done their job - we voted for them because we were angry. Labour will learn, reboot and drop its reform light policiesand we’ll see Angela Rayner as Prime Minister

TheKuiperBelt · 01/03/2026 10:41

247SylviaPlath · 01/03/2026 10:18

You forgot to mention legalising all drugs:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20e20rzje2o

Including heroin, crack etc etc etc

I love how selective people are when they talk about all the great policies the Green Party have.

Only part way down this thread so far but no one has yet mentioned their spin doctor Abi Wilkinson and her tweet that denies Hamas raped Israeli women in the October 7 attacks…despite the UN concluding there was evidence (and testimony from returning hostages has since shown awful themes of sexual violence).

The far left and the far right are as bad as each other. They both rely on divisiveness.

The ‘hard left’ are prepared to ignore the misery and suffering from drug abuse, just so long as someone is sticking it to the man (Farage).

The left make me sick.

Meanwhile, they will be tying themselves in knots, trying to reconcile the removal of Khamenei, with their hatred of Israel, and their support of Gaza.…

BrendaThePoodle · 01/03/2026 10:40

Highmole · 01/03/2026 09:41

I’m not absolving any individual of their part in a murder that has stemmed from a terrorist attack, I am saying I understand how growing up in a society that hates you makes you vulnerable to becoming radicalised

And your second sentence completely contradicts the first.

The murderer of the Jews at the Manchester synagogue did not kill them because he grew up in a society that was racist to him as a Muslim. He grew up in a sub-society that was racist to Jews. That is the simple fact. He grew up in a family and culture that hated Jews. This is well evidenced. That is where his racist hatred came from. Have you troubled yourself to look into this at all?

And no, I am not saying ' all muslims' however much you need to believe I am because this feeds your simple 'you must be a racist' narrative. But all the Islamist terrorists are Muslim, and the ideology that is driving them is a homegrown one within a sub branch of Islam. It is not one that has been externally grown. Its been grown and nurtured within Muslims in Muslim countries and Muslim communities. No, not all Muslims have the same belief, but all Islamists are Islamists because they are Muslim.

I have a masters degree in Religion, and have spent considerable time reading and studying spending time in faith communities, particularly Christianity and Islam. I suggest you spend more time learning about fundamentalist religions and mindset and more time reading about Islamism before reaching your conclusions on the motivations of the Muslims who are killing Jews.

You and I both have one thing in common, neither of us will change our opinions due to another person arguing the opposite thing on the internet and I imagine similarly like myself, you're also a busy person. I hope you realise though that I believe that both antisemitism (which although nothing major, I have actually experienced) and Islamophobia are both extraordinarily dangerous and abhorrent. I don’t know personally any Jewish or Muslim people that wish harm on the other. Of course both exist, we see that daily. The people I know wish for peace. I’ll be honest with you, I know far more Muslims than Jewish people as friends and the Jewish people i know are relatives who I occasionally visit with my mother so we aren’t sat around discussing politics or current affairs, it’s more general chit chat about our family. I know though that my grandmother and great aunt who I am still close to, both evacuees during ww2 would both be heartbroken at any form of violence or tragedy toward any religion. My Muslim friends who i do discuss politics with more often, were devastated by the actions of Hamas and have seen the fall out play out for the people and especially children of Gaza and are as greatly upset. It’s ok to have skin in the game and pick a side as you so clearly have, everyone is entitled to do so, but you can’t dismiss what the other side have endured.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 01/03/2026 10:26

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