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Gorton and Denton, what have you done?

544 replies

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 08:53

You have elected as an MP to stand in the UK&NI parliament a person who said in a panel interview with Annabel Tiffin from BBC Northwest Tonight that the Manchester Arena bombing was caused by people sewing division by questioning immigration.

That statement is so outrageous I don't even know where to start.

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mommatoone · 28/02/2026 12:01

ApplebyArrows · 28/02/2026 10:52

I would gladly stop most immigration overnight but:

There was a lot of low-level anti-Muslim sentiment in schools in the 00s. Jokes about all Muslims being terrorists etc., spurred on by "edgy" sectors of the media. I'm hardly surprised that some Muslims growing up in that environment turned to extremism.

If we are to have immigrants we should be integrating them. Whereas a lot of what happened after 9/11, the rhetoric around the wars in the Middle- East, policies around domestic terrorism, was very successful in making Muslims feel marginalised.

You mention intergration - I totally agree with you. But this is part of the problem, SOME immigrants don't want to integrate. As a result, this leads to division within certain communities who choose to follow their own culture / beliefs and not engage with others outside of this.

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 12:00

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

I agree with this to a point, but can you not see how one of those might be much, much worse than the other?

SisterTeatime · 28/02/2026 12:00

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

yes, pie in the sky everywhere you look!

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 11:59

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:53

Agreed. Sensible policies ( mostly) for decent people.

I think they're good guys coming from the right place morally.

I do think they are offering over-simplistic solutions to complex problems. I think a lot of their policies could be economically unworkable, either per se, or because the markets would reject them.

I don't think this is a problem as long as they remain a party of protest, pulling the discourse back to a more civilised and decent place. I would feel uneasy if it looked like they were anywhere near forming a government.

They're still much better than Reform, however, who are clueless racist idiots funded by Russia.

Jlom · 28/02/2026 11:57

80smonster · 28/02/2026 09:47

Anything to keep the Reform thickos at bay.

That really is the pot calling the kettle black. Get rid of immigrants and all our problems will be solved or get the Billionaires to pay for everything and all our problems will be solved. Simple lies for simple people.

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:55

@EasternStandard , the username was admittedly meant to be memorable.

I'm actually proud to see a woman who is intelligent and articulate leading a major party, proud to see that it's someone fom a STEM background not some cardboard cut-out public school-educated career politician who thinks he'd like to have a go at it because he might be rather good at being PM.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:54

Happyjoe · 28/02/2026 11:53

Still, rather Greens than the hateful party that is Reform.

Indeed.

Happyjoe · 28/02/2026 11:53

Still, rather Greens than the hateful party that is Reform.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:53

Om83 · 28/02/2026 10:53

My feeling about the greens policies are that most of them are good, as in they come from a place of ethics and morality, a focus on the environment and the people, a focus on moving closer to Europe, offer a welcome change. I don’t agree with everything- I don’t want self identification of men saying they are women, but this is one issue and as we know policies do get u turned or adapted in a way to best suit the feeling of the country.

I haven’t read anything about ‘open borders’ but do agree with them that we need a better way to handle migration than what is happening now- I have no problem at all with skilled ‘outsiders’ living in this country and working here and contributing to our economy, and the systems in place to support that properly.

I also like how they would stop the first past the post voting system we have and make sure the NHS and education improves.

I don’t see how greens are crazy for actually being decent human beings and wanting to put people’s needs and the environment first???

Agreed. Sensible policies ( mostly) for decent people.

TheNuthatch · 28/02/2026 11:51

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

OK, you sound sincere, and I accept it as a genuine mistake on your part.
You might want to change the capital 'E' if you don't want to appear that way.

AStonedRose · 28/02/2026 11:51

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

Fgs. You asked for a dedicated board for this claptrap, and you still try to shoehorn it into everything.

For the record, I don't think men can change sex, and they shouldn't be in woman's prison. It's not the only issue affecting the word at the moment.

dottiehens · 28/02/2026 11:50

80smonster · 28/02/2026 09:47

Anything to keep the Reform thickos at bay.

OMG 😦

whereisitnow · 28/02/2026 11:49

Oh do shut up.

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:49

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

Because this is a thread about greens being elected and not specifically about that. Before you know it, the thread has gone off at a tangent and you've got 4,000 posts about that. Go and start another. It's boring it gets hijacked all the time by ppl just wanting to go on about that. Every bloody time. I think we all know plenty about it by now thank you very much..

EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 11:46

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

Despite your username I agree.

placemats · 28/02/2026 11:45

Imdunfer · 28/02/2026 10:31

Thank you for your straightforward reply. I understand your point completely.

I'm also wondering who the hell I can actually vote for!

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Would you have started this thread with the same sentiment in your opening post if Reform had won?

EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 11:45

RunMeOver · 28/02/2026 11:38

Really pleased the Greens won. I don't agree with all of their policies but the fact that there is SOME electoral force emerging on the left, after Starmer did everything in his power to neuter it, is incredibly refreshing.

I would say though that the most perilous threat facing the country isn't Reform or Racism. It's idiots watching politically edited tiktok videos and thinking they're expressions of objective truth.

I agree on his attempts but lowering the voting age probably isn’t the best way to get what he’s after.

The Greens will appeal more than Labour to that age group.

saveforthat · 28/02/2026 11:45

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:40

Rather than posting a link (which I can’t access) but by a clearly biased source, how about you post what he actually said?

You can certainly argue he shouldn’t have said this. You can debate whether he should have mentioned the injured policewoman. You can even wonder what he was thinking. You absolutely cannot say he congratulated the acquitted.

As a side note, find it quite funny how the police are absolutely heroic when they are injured in left wing causes, but are entirely horrible when they police right wing protests, or bring charges for hate speech etc.

He also retweeted a post claiming that the police woman wasn't injured and it was all a lie.

MrsBadEnoch · 28/02/2026 11:45

@TheNuthatch , I have a high opinion of KB. I don't agree with her politics but she seems genuine, articulate and intelligent.
If I were a young girl now I'd be seeing her as a role model in the same way that I looked at Diane Abbott as a role model when I was young.

Psychosislotus · 28/02/2026 11:44

Velentia · 28/02/2026 10:21

The Greens have given us the best and worst examples of Thatcherism.
Zack the smart arse earning fees from women hoping to enlarge their boobs. He talked them into believing that a form of meditating was enough. He grew his own fortune by abandoning his religion, and now runs a Political Party. All on slick talk.
Hannah Spencer left school at 16 and worked, didn't go on benefits (take note Angela). Hannah qualified in a trade and and started her own plumbing business. With the profits she has built a property portfolio of a £million, how entrepreneurial. She has now qualified as a plasterer. Still working hard with her hands.
So far so good.

Yes I quite like that Hannah on first appearances. Her speech was good. But how can we say work doesn’t pay if she did it. And did it so young.

I agree with her work doesn’t - when you are working class or squeezed middle. You need to make that jump to owning and leveraging assets. But I am pretty sure that’s who the greens are eyeing up (and Labour too). So it is an interesting watch.

That zach guy is completely insane. As was the situation with green deputy who didn’t want the camo next to her house. Not for her sake no, it was inhumane apparently 😂

fluffiphlox · 28/02/2026 11:43

Sewing?

5128gap · 28/02/2026 11:43

Daygloboo · 28/02/2026 11:37

Oh dont turn it all into this again. Give it a rest.

Turn it into what, exactly? OP raised a (valid) concern about the Greens trans inclusive policy meaning TIM would access women's changing rooms. I merely pointed out that Reform want to dispense with the EA, which would mean there were no sex based protections for women at all. Also a valid concern. If you're tired of concerns about women's rights, don't engage. I'm not going to stop mentioning them because some random doesn't like it.

BurntBroccoli · 28/02/2026 11:42

On the contrary - the Green Party policies would improve the lives of working people starting with higher pay and much stronger working rights. Minimum wage would be raised to £15 an hour for all ages, zero-hours contracts would end and workers would be given full employment rights including sick pay and holiday pay, from day one.

The Greens also back getting rid of anti-union laws and introducing a four-day working week without loss of pay which would improve work-life balance and reduce stress for many. Productivity actually increases and there is I independent research in this area proving this.

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

They also propose increasing Universal Credit and other benefits, scrapping the two-child benefit cap and bedroom tax, and moving toward a Universal Basic Income in the longer term. These measures would provide a stronger safety net, reduce poverty, and give workers more financial security during periods of unemployment, illness or retraining.

For housing and energy costs, the Greens support large-scale investment in social housing and would give councils stronger rent controls to make housing more affordable. It also proposes a nationwide home insulation and solar installation programme to cut energy bills, which would particularly benefit low (and also middle-income households) while also reducing carbon emissions.

They want major public investment into renewable energy, public transport and green infrastructure to create secure, skilled, long term jobs across the country. Plus expanded training and education funding so workers can access new opportunities created by the transition to a low-carbon economy.

To fund these policies, the Greens propose wealth tax reforms and aligning capital gains tax with income tax rates. They also would like to see the development of a Land Value Tax which would be a fairer system than the current Council Tax where someone in Yorkshire is paying more for a 2 bedroomed terrace than a mansion in London.

Their overall goal is to reduce inequality while improving wages, job security, public services and living standards for working people across the UK.

What the Evidence Tells Us About The Four-Day Working Week

What the Evidence Tells Us About The Four-Day Working Week - The Association for Business Psychology

The Association for Business Psychology (ABP) has taken an important step in aligning its internal practices with its mission: from December this year, our

https://theabp.org.uk/what-the-evidence-tells-us-about-the-four-day-working-week/

BoredZelda · 28/02/2026 11:40

Rather than posting a link (which I can’t access) but by a clearly biased source, how about you post what he actually said?

You can certainly argue he shouldn’t have said this. You can debate whether he should have mentioned the injured policewoman. You can even wonder what he was thinking. You absolutely cannot say he congratulated the acquitted.

As a side note, find it quite funny how the police are absolutely heroic when they are injured in left wing causes, but are entirely horrible when they police right wing protests, or bring charges for hate speech etc.

Gorton and Denton, what have you done?