Anyone else think Starmer leaving just creates more turmoil?

I feel the same way. Starmer is a serious man which is what is needed after the Johnson and Truss embarrassments. You don’t need to be entertained by a PM. I prefer serious in a serious job!

I don’t believe the so called hate for Starmer, again a press line I think. I think he has and is being very badly let down by his trusted advisors and some fellow Labour people, Burnham included as what he did just stoked the fire

For the same reason@ his own party think he will lose the next election. According to the polls, he is competing with Liz Truss for the least popular prime minister of all time.

The economy isn't doing well which tends to get any party voted out as no one wants to get poorer.

Overseas influence is the very reason he became PM in the first place. And we all know who chose the list of Labour candidates for the general election in 2024. And we know who orchestrated the downfall of the previous Labour leader. So...

There’s other parties. Not everyone has to vote as you do. And it’s looking likely many won’t in May.

Just very anti reform actually

This.

Plus the vote on GB news breakfast last week thought he could survive!

I see. Only pro Labour then. Anyway for all these posts people will vote as they like and Labour could do badly. Labour on mn will keep going on in this way but at some point votes could get them out.

I don’t have a labour mp - I would love to fo something like this, and to support Starmer, not sure if that’s possible though

I want him to stay. We need some stability in our leadership. Whilst I don't agree with all the decisions Labour have made I feel like he is a professional, qualified adult who is respected on the world stage. I think he handles Trump very well, not sucking up like Reform or the Conservatives, but quietly holding his own. He doesn’t come across as hugely charismatic but I want a PM I feel confident in, not a clown.

I actually found the whole spectacle the last few days so awful to watch that I wrote to my Labour Mp and complained about her colleagues behaviour. Andy Burnham started this and I just don’t know why any of them think getting rid of Starmer is the right thing to do.

People vote for what they are told by the media and social media and it has become painfully apparent (Brexit, Trump, Reform, Russia, Epstein) that people will be easily influenced and are being manipulated on a massive scale in both the UK and the USA. I'm not 100% sure I trust any of what I hear and see any more.

What is clear to me is that Starmer is the least self serving and most steady of any of the alternatives right now and to get rid of him would be like watching the UK in a slow car crash until we end up with Reform in charge and then living like people in the USA right now.

I agree @CambridgeCats
The Labour Party seem to have gone down the ‘let’s just think emotionally and not use logic’ rabbit hole, following all the far-right characters popularism.
Starmer has no charisma but is a technocrat with strong morals. That doesn’t work well in the media.

A sensible plan looks like it’s been started:

• get rid of the unelected ‘advisors’ who have been pushing for all these popularist approaches;
• enact the anti-lobbying laws which should have been passed years ago

Then hopefully they’ll get back to proper labour values, and less ridiculous infighting from BOTH sides, for the rest of their term. Then, if this doesn’t happen, he should go. But not now.

Quite.

Everyone I know will be voting Labour in the next GE. The alternatives are:

Tories - not after last time!
Reform - Appaling and actually quite frightening
Lib dems - nice but won't get in so no point
Greens - captured by Protrans/Propal nutters and leader thinks he can increase peoples breast size with his mind 🤣

How do you know he’ll lose the next election?

Only if they receive a vote of no confidence. Labours got a massive majority.

There ain’t no general election happening no matter how much people blather on about it.

Not sure what you mean here but every thread there’s a Labour poster on mn calling non Labour bots etc

That’s not reflected in polls, ratings and votes.

It is the left of his own party that want him to go. I think the right probably want him to cling on as he'll do less damage than some and will lose the next election.

I completely agree with the OP. Honestly, I am so frustrated that this whole situation seems to be more about generating the next headline and news story than really what is good for the governance of the country and the UK's international standing.

I totally agree with this I think it's so easy just to bay for blood every time but then you end up with a situation like the Tories at the end with just a revolving door of prime ministers

Mandelson is just an excuse that members of his own party can use to get rid of him. They've been circling round looking for any opportunity and now they have one. You can't blame the voters. It isn't their fault he isn't very good at his job.

Labour MPs need to get their shit together. Didn’t they learn anything from watching the Tories implode?! Ridiculous.

Oh yes the so called patriots 🙄

The ones funded by Russians..

most press being to the right it’s a gift for them.
I’m on the right but I fully support him and would be very disappointed if he were replaced, especially by Rayner.

Why all the drama focussing on the Brits and not the Americans as well?

Not saying AMW and Mandelson don’t deserve the opprobrium being heaped on them - they do, and richly - but why isn’t there a song and dance being made about Trump, Gates, Clinton etc?

Maybe there is in the US and I just haven’t seen it?