Is it possible that Mandelson might bring Starmer down?

Not so. Im just trying to keep answers relating to the thread rather than get side tracked to Epsteins crimes rather than concentrating on PM and the PM, which is presumably why you have (suddenly) decided to mention the victims.

Thankyou backing up my argument, appreciate it, you've really made my point, you don't give a stuff.

From recollection she disagreed with an enquiry taking place. Do correct me if Im wrong Blossom, or if you have changed your mind since agreeing with KS on this issue last time.

Well yes but the title of this thread is "Is it possible that Mandelson might bring Starmer down". Mandelson having given secrets to Epstein which seems to me his most egregious potential offence, being related to national security.

The AMW isnt really relevant to this thread but good attempt at a dead cat.

If Lowe’s “inquiry” is self funded it can’t, by its very nature, be independent.

@Blossomtoes who do you think should hold an enquiry into the rape gangs - if you think there should be an enquiry?

If Lowe’s “inquiry” is self funded it can’t, by its very nature, be independent.

I'd prefer that Starmer implements the findings of the previous national inquiry, launched by T.May, reported EIGHT years later in 2022 but totally ignored by the previous Govt.

As i said, victims always ignored if there is a political scalp to be gained and that happens on all sides.

Everyone on this thread is ignoring the victims.

Its ALL about using trafficked girls and women to bring down Starmer, on this thread and many others, by the opposition, by Labour MPs, past and present...

Starmer has taken responsibility, i don't like the guy but he has been pretty unequivocal about this, its very rare to hear any politician apologise.... but until he is gone, you'll always go on about Mandelson etc etc and ignore the redacted faces of the women & girls.... that Royal protection officers ignored AMW travels etc etc.

He's failed the country abysmally, again.
Time after time he's delayed the promised rape gangs enquiry. Why? I don't think most people understand the scope and level of abuse these (predominantly) South Asian men are inflicting STILL on vulnerable girls and women. I don't suppose anyone will be interested to look but if you do care look at Rupert Lowe's Facebook pages. He's currently conducting an independent, self funded enquiry with the victims and their families. It's truly horrific and harrowing but needs to he heard.
This to me is by far the biggest and most urgent issue to address, not starmer and mandelson's problem

No one is ignoring the victims, apart from those that refuse to take responsibility that they appointed someone who was a friend of a paedophile. And those that make excuses for him.

I wouldnt start getting holier than thou on the basis I cant see much chat about you re the victims.

Well, Mandelson is a known liar... so i assume no one would believe a word he says on oath? oh wait.....

However what most people on here are missing is the victims.. all this faux outrage at Mandelson passing on financial stuff 24hrs before announced etc etc and that he was associated with a known sex trafficker of and inc under age girls.

But the victims? no one gives a fuck about them.

Andrew MW who actually did abuse these girls, inc statutory rape & using trafficked women in the UK, protected by the Royals, the Police, Politicians... , given a luxurious home to live in, c/w with servants, none of you give a flying fuck about that..... no numerous threads on forcing him to actually be charged...

.... but get a sniff at bringing down Starmer and you re like a pack of Hyenas

But anyone who remembers why he was sacked each time before would have thought it a mad appointment? And he was a known friend of Epstein and photographed consistently with him after his release from prison. What more does KS need? Does he need it spelled out and a lecture from other party leaders as to him exercising his powers? Would he listen? Hardly.

You're being really odd about this one.

Good interview with Andy McDonald MP about the ridiculousness of people pretending that everyone didn't know what Mandelson was like at the time of the appointment. Will you take the word of a Labour MP?

No, thats exactly what you are doing. It's completely irrelevant what action other parties took at the time. The decision was not theirs, nor could they influence it. Mandelson should have never been on the short list in the first place.

I've just listened to Harriet Harman's comments and she is crystal clear about Starmer needing to accept full responsibility for his own actions, rather than trying to pin the blame elsewhere and claiming that he was lied to. Perhaps you should listen to her on Electoral Dysfunction.

True but this isn't just about Epstein.

Personally I'm still of the opinion PM should never have got the DC job simply based on his previous....

The issue here for many, though I accept maybe not you, is about the PM's decision making in general....

What did Starmer do when he was warned by his own party and asked directly by the FT about the connection?

I have been very clear that that's not what I'm doing. Starmer was 100% responsible for the decision.

That doesn't prevent me from observing that the opposition party leaders didn't seem to have raised concerns about the relationship with Epstein when he was appointed. Given that we have been reminded by many that it was apparently common knowledge at the time, this seems surprising.

Why are you trying to apportion blame for Mandelson's appointment to other party leaders?

Why look to others? It’s Starmer’s appointment. It’s infuriating from Labour.

Mandelson is entirely a Starmer / Labour problem.

Striking that there is no mention of Epstein.

Fair enough, and I'm sure that you weren't the only one, but unless you are one of the leaders of the opposition parties, I wasn't actually talking about you!

That is from September, when information had emerged which led to PM getting sacked. I was asking about concerns which were raised at the time of PM's appointment, specifically in relation to PM's relationship with Epstein.

As I say, happy to stand corrected if there is actually evidence of such concerns at the time. I just feel that there has been a slight rewriting of history but I may be wrong.

Labour are so bad at taking responsibility for decisions. Starmer in particular.

Even his own party are pointing this out rn, eg Harriet Harman.

Mmmm I think I did raise concerns on Mumsnet at the time of Peter Mandelson’s appointment @MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack
There was a thread then iirc.
I shall scroll through and check. It might take a while.

Great, you'll be able to provide the links in that case. Very happy to stand corrected if concerns about the relationship were indeed raised by other party leaders at the time.