Is it possible that Mandelson might bring Starmer down?

It just looks like people sounding off using their own conspiracy theories. People can usually make their own minds up about people. You just need to decide who you want to vote for by yourself and let other people do the same. Thats my suggestion.

Nope

My first link was published by the current government a few days ago;

Between 1 July 2024 and 31 January 2026, a total of 58,539 returns were recorded (including both enforced and voluntary returns). This is a 31% increase on the 44,626 returns recorded in the nineteen-month period ending June 2024. (1 December 2022 to 30 June 2024)

On small boats - more arrivals than any other prime minister;

More small boat migrants come to Britain under Starmer than any other PM.

A total of 65,922 people have made dangerous journey since Labour came to power in July 2024, data released on Monday shows.

This is an average of over 794 a week, despite Sir Keir coming in to Downing Street with a plan to “smash the gangs” that traffic people across the Channel.

@Pineneedlesincarpet I haven't mentioned evidence. Just thought you might be interested.

But it was widely coveted by mainstream press…

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/21/david-cameron-piers-gaveston-society-what-we-know-oxford-secret

Im fairly sure you shouldn't really use mumsnet as evidence on mumsnet. As we are all mainly talking rubbish to each other. And actual evidence is all we ask for.

@Clavinova @1dayatatime @Pineneedlesincarpet
The following thread might just blow your minds
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5488033-reform-is-funded-by-putin-wake-up?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Nope, Sunak claimed 23k under his tenure, Labour have done 61k, 43k people identified, have left before being forcibly deported.... what exactly is the problem?
The Tories totally failed to ID these people & allowed numbers to explode.

Some 193k migrants have crossed the channel, so if 65k crossed under Labour, well, around 130k under the Tories..... plus they allowed in 4m migrants in just 3 years.

The Tories had how many PMs in just 8 years... 3 in just their last 5 years in power.
Labour have some way to go.

Labour have sent back 60k people here illegally, 3x more than anything Sunak or Bojo ever did

The government are claiming a 31% increase in returns, not 300% - the vast majority are voluntary returns;

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/returns-from-the-uk-and-illegal-working-activity-since-july-2024/returns-from-the-uk-between-1-december-2022-and-31-january-2026

Bad news for Starmer today on small boat arrivals though;

9 Feb 2026
More small boat migrants come to Britain under Starmer than any other PM.

Over 65,000 migrants have crossed the Channel since Labour took power 19 months ago.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/02/09/more-small-boat-migrants-come-britain-starmer-than-other-pm/
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-small-boat-migrant-channel-crossings-record-home-office-b1270278.html

These slurs went way way beyond normal gossip and were blatant lies.

I’d have said accusing someone of having sex with a pig’s head also goes beyond normal gossip. Seems an extremely unpleasant slur to me.

These slurs went way way beyond normal gossip and were blatant lies.... hence the posts removal..... so as you didn't even see what the pp wrote, i don't really see how you can make an informed comment.

BTW i don't agree with some of the stuff bandied about around Cameron, when as you say the evidence was hearsay only.

I wasn’t referring to the actual post - I was referring to your saying there were false slurs about Starmer.

Well, i'm not going to repeat the slurs written but there is no comparison, none whatsoever.

I'm surprised you equate the two, as i'm sure you wouldn't comment on a post you hadn't read?

That post was disgusting, glad its been taken down, a series of totally false slurs but tbh no surprise, its what some do unfortunately.

There have been plenty of false slurs about Tories. I’m sure I remember Labour supporters on here gleefully accusing David Cameron of having sex with a pig’s head or some such.
I can’t remember seeing any actual proof of this.

To be replaced with who exactly?

Anyone else in the Labour Party would do a far worse job on the economy than Starmer. Yes that would be to the electoral benefit of all the other parties, but it will come at the cost of economic damage.

That post was disgusting, glad its been taken down, a series of totally false slurs but tbh no surprise, its what some do unfortunately.

Things are tough for Starmer atm but Labour have a very different leader selection process, as we saw with Corbyn.

Sarwar needs to keep his opinions to himself.

Given his core staff going, another just now, he might remove himself.

So on that basis should Starmer be removed because of Angela Rayner's resignation or Tulip Siddiq's resignation or Louise Haigh resignation?

Is Harman even an MP? let alone, potentially our next PM....

Classic Whataboutery

Don’t forget giving a peerage to the PIE-supporting Harriet Harman

Matt Goodwin? so you support his blog post just 2.5 years ago when he said he thinks people should have a "negative Child benefit tax" if they don't breed....

Charming!

One could say MG is just an opportunist, changing his views to get power.... its not as if the negative effects of immigration are new is it?

Manifesto's get junked by all parties once in power, things ignored, things added in, things not possible ie Boris promised lower taxes & lower immigration Cameron promised 5000 more GPs and lower immigration and Labour aren't on track to build the houses they said they'd do or employ 6500 extra teachers... but have delivered on lower immigration....

People came here on the Sunak wave, legally, yet you want to deport them.... good luck finding nurses and other HCP hanging around on the dole wanting to do the jobs these immigrants are doing... we've lost 3 non medical wards - 90 patients (looking after people waiting for social care provision) all shut down because of lack of staff... so more "bed blocking"

On illegals, yes i agree but if India say NO, what exactly are we going to do?

There are still questions on his Nazi beliefs as a teenager.

Alexandra There are plenty of Labour MPs who had communist beliefs when young. Is that acceptable, considering what Stalin and Mao and other communists did?

What are you saying he will do re the EU and Russia? What has he actually said he will do? Thats all anyone can base their opinion on. Not some suspicion in your head.

A breach of a manifesto commitment is a serious thing and usually has political repercussions.

You just don't agree with Matt Goodwin politically. He used to be left wing too by the way but studied the effects of immigration and as a result now stands for Reform. SonI dont think you need to equate him with Tommy R. That's just lazy.

Yes Reform will attract unsavoury types. But most people who support Reform are perfectly reasonable people who like their policies and don't like what Labour has become. I find the sectariansim of the Gaza Independents far more terrifying.

We can't afford to pay benefits to the Boris wave. Thats the trouble. Many people have come here and claimed benefits rather than being net contributors. They shouldn't be here if they can't support themselves. And AI and Labours employment laws and tax will mean rising unemployment. Plenty of people here will need those jobs in the NHS and carehomes.

I do welcome these deportations. Why wouldn't I? We've got nearly 70 million people stuffed on this tiny island. Why would we want more?

Its his views on the EU and Russia that matter far more than his eurosceptic ones.
There are still questions on his Nazi beliefs as a teenager.

A manifesto can say whatever it likes, its not a legal contract.

My worry with Reform is the people it attracts, people like Matt Goodwin or Tommy Robinson, who endorsed Matt Goodwin and Farage refuses to reject that endorsement.

Deporting EU citizens given the right to remain, means people in the NHS, care homes, factories, people with kids born here.

Labour have sent back 60k people here illegally, 3x more than anything Sunak or Bojo ever did... i hope you wellcome this?

Agree what NF thinks about the EU and NATO matters and Im sure it will be in the manifesto for everyone to decide whether to vote for it. I suspect his views on the EU won't be a huge surprise.

Deporting people who have no right to be here is logical and again, it shouldnt be a left/right policy, just a policy.

The Conservatives were obviously not great which is why they got kicked out. But as Keir Starmer is the most unpopular PM of all time, it seems that people preferred Rishi. And I particularly dislike the ideological aspects of RRs tax policies. They seem very vindictive towards people who have just been getting on with their lives eg farmers, publicans, school children, people who live in the countryside, pensioners, small business owners. I don't claim "external factors" with those actually. I just think its stupidity.