Page 19 | Is it possible that Mandelson might bring Starmer down?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:58

LlynTegid · 03/02/2026 18:57

Boris Johnson was brought down by not taking alleged sex offences by one of his own MPs seriously.

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Yes similar to KS then..except Pms offences were dishonesty. And as it turns out potentially espionage!!

LlynTegid · 03/02/2026 18:57

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 16:18

Its a tricky one. For consistency and to avoid accusations of hypocrisy I suppose yes bearing in mind Boris was ultimately brought down by dodgy appointments (I am regularly told on MN).

Boris Johnson was brought down by not taking alleged sex offences by one of his own MPs seriously.

EasternStandard · 03/02/2026 18:57

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:54

Starmer and Reeves have both lasted in their respective roles for 18 months, and counting. In terms of competence and statesmanship, Truss is simply not in their league. You can argue all you like, but that is a fact.

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The public are the deciders are he polls lower than anyone.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:56

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:54

Starmer and Reeves have both lasted in their respective roles for 18 months, and counting. In terms of competence and statesmanship, Truss is simply not in their league. You can argue all you like, but that is a fact.

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They've only lasted because the alternatives are worse.

And if theres one thing and one thing only that KS is good at and thats keeping a grip on the Labour Party. No one will dare get rid of him.

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:54

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:36

Well he does talk a lot of rubbish that is true. Many many sentences strung together of wiffle.

Btw I did think initially you were talking about RR being obviously overwhelmed there!

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Starmer and Reeves have both lasted in their respective roles for 18 months, and counting. In terms of competence and statesmanship, Truss is simply not in their league. You can argue all you like, but that is a fact.

EasternStandard · 03/02/2026 18:54

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:51

That doesn't make him a worse Prime Minister than Truss.

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It looks like many think he is going by ratings.

Sidebeforeself · 03/02/2026 18:52

rumred · 03/02/2026 18:50

So the royal family will be chucked out, using this reasoning? Andrew clearly more involved and abusive than mandelson. And Charles etc must have been aware of at least some of his corrupt behaviour

Well no, cos theres no democratic process for getting rid of a royal family. Unless we ..you know.. do a France 😁

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:51

caringcarer · 03/02/2026 18:33

Starmer is a very poor judge of character.

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That doesn't make him a worse Prime Minister than Truss.

Dollymylove · 03/02/2026 18:51

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:34

"As you know". I always love how people reply vaguely and then assume that people understand what they really meant, a stranger on MN. Its so silly!

Yes the arsonists. Fascinating no matter what comes out of that. How did they know the correct targets. What was their jobs and intention? I for one won't find it boring at all!

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There are gagging orders in place tighter than Fort Knox. We wont found out the truth 🙄

rumred · 03/02/2026 18:50

So the royal family will be chucked out, using this reasoning? Andrew clearly more involved and abusive than mandelson. And Charles etc must have been aware of at least some of his corrupt behaviour

EasternStandard · 03/02/2026 18:48

StarChamber · 03/02/2026 18:00

And Boris Johnson and Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor too. I hope they all go down.

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What was Johnson’s involvement?

EasternStandard · 03/02/2026 18:47

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:16

Mauritius are planning on sueing us now for millions. Well done David Lammy.

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Missed this, it’s definitely been cancelled?

On Starmer going maybe. He deserves to be hung out for Mandelson and the other bad policies.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:42

AnnasFangs · 03/02/2026 18:41

No, just the NHS and God knows what else.

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What's their policy?

AnnasFangs · 03/02/2026 18:41

caringcarer · 03/02/2026 18:30

I can't see Reform giving away Islands owned by UK.

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No, just the NHS and God knows what else.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:38

Daygloboo · 03/02/2026 18:35

Huh probably sell their own grannies if there was a a couple of quid in it. You aint seen nothing yet. Just you wait.

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You seem to have some insider knowledge of the Reform manifesto vis a vis raising money by flogging off elderly relations? What's your scoop? How did you get it?

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:36

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:30

There's also the small matter of the fact that she was very obviously overwhelmed by the demands of the role and could barely string together a coherent sentence. The same cannot be said of Starmer.

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Well he does talk a lot of rubbish that is true. Many many sentences strung together of wiffle.

Btw I did think initially you were talking about RR being obviously overwhelmed there!

Daygloboo · 03/02/2026 18:35

caringcarer · 03/02/2026 18:30

I can't see Reform giving away Islands owned by UK.

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Huh probably sell their own grannies if there was a a couple of quid in it. You aint seen nothing yet. Just you wait.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:34

AnnasFangs · 03/02/2026 18:30

I was talking about the trial of the arsonists, as you know.

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"As you know". I always love how people reply vaguely and then assume that people understand what they really meant, a stranger on MN. Its so silly!

Yes the arsonists. Fascinating no matter what comes out of that. How did they know the correct targets. What was their jobs and intention? I for one won't find it boring at all!

Dollymylove · 03/02/2026 18:33

Mandy should of gone years ago, given his rap sheet. And hope he takes Starmer down with him

caringcarer · 03/02/2026 18:33

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:30

There's also the small matter of the fact that she was very obviously overwhelmed by the demands of the role and could barely string together a coherent sentence. The same cannot be said of Starmer.

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Starmer is a very poor judge of character.

ACynicalDad · 03/02/2026 18:32

i think it increased the chances he goes, this by-election could do for him if not the May elections.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:31

StarChamber · 03/02/2026 18:24

The Russian involvement in Brexit, Cambridge Analytica, and the unlawful proroguing of Parliament, for starters.

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Proroguing was a red herring and a storm in a tea cup to coin a couple of phrases. Its not criminal. It was entirely meaningless and had no effect. It wasted a lot of time arguing and was only for a couple of useless days anyway.

Russian involvement in Brexit...what crime did Boris commit in relation to the Russians?

Cambridge Analytica. Again..what crime did Boris commit?

AnnasFangs · 03/02/2026 18:30

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:02

Why? Do you think Mandelson is going to get off scot free? I dont think so

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I was talking about the trial of the arsonists, as you know.

caringcarer · 03/02/2026 18:30

Daygloboo · 03/02/2026 18:22

Just you wait til Reform gets in if you think that's bad

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I can't see Reform giving away Islands owned by UK.

ValidPistachio · 03/02/2026 18:30

Pineneedlesincarpet · 03/02/2026 18:18

She had the right idea about lowering taxes etc..but went about it wrong by failing to cut costs. Labour are failing to cut costs and are raising taxes too. Neither of which is great.

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There's also the small matter of the fact that she was very obviously overwhelmed by the demands of the role and could barely string together a coherent sentence. The same cannot be said of Starmer.